I'm part of the .5%.... I could care less about collecting beetles.... Michael P. Blanchard Senior Security Engineer, CISSP, GCIH, CCSA-NGX, MCSE Office of Information Security & Risk Management EMC ² Corporation 32 Coslin Drive Southboro, MA 01772
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kyle Creyts Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:25 AM To: Drsolly Cc: [email protected]; Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah; [email protected] Subject: Re: [funsec] Citizen cyber-protectors? I am part of the 1%. On Jul 19, 2012 2:31 AM, "Drsolly" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: If someone can't be bothered to write their thoughts down, and require me to spend 20 minutes to watch a video giving views that I could have read in one minute, then I'm not going to devote my time to listen to them. Since I haven't heard what he has to say, I cannot comment on his views. Except to point out that 99% of people are as interested in computer security as they are in beetle collecting. And anything that depends on them being more interested than that, or better informed, is doomed. On Wed, 18 Jul 2012, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah wrote: > Marc Goodman (who I believe is https://twitter.com/FutureCrimes and > http://www.futurecrimes.com/ ) gave a recent TED talk on trends in the use of > high technology in crime: > > http://www.ted.com/talks/marc_goodman_a_vision_of_crimes_in_the_future.html > > The 20 minute talk is frightening, with very little in the way of comfort for > the > protection or security side. He ends with a call for crowdsourcing of > protection. > > Now as a transparent society/open source/full disclosure kind of guy, I like > the > general idea. But, as someone who has been involved in education, security > awareness, and professional security training for some time, I see a few > problems. > For crowdsourcing to work, you need a critical mass of at least minimally > capable > people. When you are talking about a weather reporting app, that minimal > capability isn't much. When you are talking about detecting cyberwar or > bioweapons, the capability levels are a bit different. > > Just yesterday the PNWER (Pacific NorthWest Economic Region > http://www.pnwer.org/ ) conference became the latest to bemoan the lack of > trained employees. I rather suspect these constant complaints, since I see > lots of > people out of work. But the people who are whining about employees are just > looking for network admins and such. We need people with more depth and more > breadth in their backgrounds. I get CISSP candidates in my seminars who are > network admins who simply want to know a few ACLS for firewalls. I have to > keep telling them that security professionals need to know more than that. > > Yes, I am privileged to be able to meet a number who *are* interested in > learning > everything possible in order to meet any need or problem. But, relatively > speaking, those are few. And my sample set tends to be abnormal, in that > these > are people who have already shown some interest in training (even if only job > related). What Goodman is talking about is the general public. And those of > us > who have actually tried security awareness know how little conceptual > awareness > we have to build on, let alone advanced technical knowledge. > > I think awareness, self-protection, and crowdsourcing is probably the only > good > way to approach the problems Goodman outlines. I just worry that we have a > long > way to go. > > http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/1793 > > ====================== (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > On Friday, January 23rd, 2004, in a speech at the World Economic > Forum in Davos, Switzerland, Bill Gates stated `Two years from > now, spam will be solved.' > victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm<http://victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm> > http://www.infosecbc.org/links > http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/ > http://twitter.com/rslade > _______________________________________________ > Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. > https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec > Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. > _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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