I agree completely, and I also would like to add that
fusebox has become convoluted and confusing especially
with FB3.  
I can handle the XFA's
I can handle xml fusedocs (although I think they are a
bit overkill).

What I can't handle is the core files and all that
other garbage nesting layouts, nesting circuits so on
and so forth.  In my opinion I think that it is
inefficient and adds unnecessary overhead.  Also I am
glad that the methodology keeps evolving...once my
developers get FB3 down, the methodology will
transition to FB4 or Flip, or maybe its not a
methodology?  

Dont get me wrong, fusebox has helped me a ton in
developing apps and I will use it as long as I am
involved with CF.  I just think that there are fewer
gains with the newer releases of fusebox and it looks
to me like the developers behind it are grasping at
straws.

Diachi


--- Lee Borkman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Nate, Fusebox was never a methodology.  An
> architecture or possibly even a framework these
> days, but not a methodology.  For some historical
> reasons that I do not claim to understand, Fusebox
> has often been referred to as "The Fusebox
> Methodology", but that was and is a simple misnomer.
> IMHO. ;-)
> 
> Of course, along the way, many FB users have adopted
> methodologies that work well with the FB
> architecture, and much of this useful practice is
> now being crystalised into what is called "FLiP",
> the Fusebox Lifecycle Process.  You can choose FB
> architecture.  You can choose FLiP methodology.  You
> can choose both, or one, or neither.  The
> architecture is portable, and has been ported to
> several different languages/platforms.  The
> soon-to-be-convened Standards Committee wil no doubt
> be documenting in language-independent terms exactly
> what is and what is not FB3, so that it can be
> implemented for many more languages.  Even the FLiP
> methodology is portable, in that you can use it for
> doing things other than developing web applications.
> 
> In the very near future, you can expect at least one
> book to be published about the FB3 framework.  It
> has nothing to say about methodology.  No doubt
> there will be other books to follow that document
> the FLiP methodology, and that will say nothing
> about FB3.  And yes, there is another book about to
> pop up that talks about both.
> 
> In short, I hope and believe that your concerns are
> already being addressed.  Watch this space.
> 
> See ya,
> Lee Borkman
> The Fusebox Steering Committee
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
>   From: Nate Nielsen 
> 
>   A suggestion for FuseBox.  Seperate it -
>    
>   Official FuseBox Methodology  -  Methodologies can
> be contained in a document and require no files. 
> They explore best practices for approaching common
> development tasks.
> 
>   Official FuseBox Framework - This is basically
> what FB3 is.  It can require files, and take care of
> issues on a coding level.  You can add the handling
> of errors and exceptions and other widgets.  Most
> importantly, it can cater to specific languages.
> 
>   I think many people are turned off by the fact
> that the FuseBox methodology is now a framework. 
> This also makes it impossible to actually port FB as
> a methodology over to other languages like ASP and
> JSP.
>    
>   I think if the "FB Steer" folks got back to the
> basics of developing FuseBox as a methodology, and
> framework for those interested in it, -seperately-
> you would see many doors open to expanding FB
> concept on a much larger scale.
> 
>   And no, I don't think this post belongs in
> community, and therefore - I will not take it there.
>   =)
>    
>   Everyone's thoughts on this?
> 
>
> 


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