Hi, Keith, I assume we are focusing on political or social idealists, rather than, say, inventors or engineers? It seems that finding 'successul' non-harmful idealists in those areas is quite easy, and that the cvhallenge is to find their equivalents in the worlds of politics or sociology.
Agreed? Cheers, Lawry > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Keith Hudson > Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 12:04 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Whining ("Stop it! And say: 'Thank you'! .... ) > > > Hi Lawry, > > Maybe I was being a touch too cynical. But I can't think just at > the moment > of ideals and a person of ideals that I'd want to go along with > enthusiastically. Let me leave finding a candidate to you. > > Keith > > I'll leave itAt 09:24 02/12/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Good morning, Keith, > > > >These seems like such a sad conclusion. Can you really not think of any > >recent idealistic person who achieved positive results, which > might serve as > >a counterexample to your most pessimistic view? > > > >Cheers (literally!) > >Lawry > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Keith Hudson > >> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 7:39 AM > >> To: Ray Evans Harrell > >> Cc: Selma Singer; Brad McCormick, Ed.D.; "Harry Pollard" > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc : > >> Subject: Re: Whining ("Stop it! And say: 'Thank you'! .... ) > >> > >> > >> Ray, > >> > >> (REH) > >> <<<< > >> A good idea is one thing but it may never be practical and > that is what I > >> believe both you and Keith are dealing with in your pursuit of > your ideal. > >> >>>> > >> > >> My "ideal"? > >> > >> I can't speak for Harry, but I don't have much time these days > for ideals. > >> I used to when I was young, but then I've realised over a lifetime that > >> "good" people with ideals get one (and often whole populations) > >> into a deal > >> of trouble. > >> > >> The last idealist movement of note was, I suppose the Khymer > Rouge led by > >> its quietly spoken agrarian reformer by the name of Pol Pot. > >> > >> It's been only 27 years since he was able to start to put his > reforms into > >> practice in Cambodia. > >> > >> Result? One of the larger genocides of history -- somewhere > >> between 1.5 and > >> 2 million skulls were stacked up floor to ceiling in Buddhist > monasteries, > >> classrooms and the like. > >> > >> (REH) > >> <<<< > >> Where is there a sustainable economy in the capitalist free market mode > >> that has lasted 100 years? 200? 500? 1000? 2000? or as long as the > >> Egyptians 4000? > >> >>>> > >> > >> Ochres, flints and probably special woods have been traded > along routes of > >> hundreds of miles' length in Europe and Asia from at least 35,000BC and > >> very possibly before that. The free market mode has been > >> operating whenever > >> governments did not interfere with it. I suppose the Sumerian > authorities > >> were the first who started to tax and control trade (the > Iraq-Afghanistan > >> trade route -- grain, wood, lapis lazuli, silver) -- so that means the > >> first episode of free trade lasted for something like 30,000 years. > >> > >> Keith Hudson > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> ---------- > >> ------------ > >> > >> Keith Hudson, General Editor, Handlo Music, http://www.handlo.com > >> 6 Upper Camden Place, Bath BA1 5HX, England > >> Tel: +44 1225 312622; Fax: +44 1225 447727; mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > ________________________________________________________________________ > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > ------------ > > Keith Hudson, General Editor, Handlo Music, http://www.handlo.com > 6 Upper Camden Place, Bath BA1 5HX, England > Tel: +44 1225 312622; Fax: +44 1225 447727; mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ________________________________________________________________________ >
