Hello Marcel,

Have you tried to change the MTU size on the Nokia Machine?


The MTU size can be changed on any interface using the command "ifconfig".
To make the change permanent, the command must be entered into the
"rc.local" file.

The syntax used to change the MTU is:
ifconfig interface mtu x (where x is the new mtu size)

The rc.local file is located in /var/etc. If the file is not there, simply
create a file named rc.local in this directory.

NOTE:Changing the MTU is not supported, however, the above procedure does
work. After making the change with ifconfig, Voyager will still report the
maximum MTU supported by the interface. This is normal. To see the actual
MTU size being used, run ifconfig -a

Regards,

Paul



-----Original Message-----
From: Marcel Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 December 2003 10:44
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [FW-1] MTU issue routing traffic via Cisco GRE tunnel to
Nokia/Check Point firewall


We have been suffering an issue to do with Checkpoint, Cisco GRE tunnels
and MTU size for a number of months now, and I thought it might be worth
posting a description of our problem on this list in case someone is able
to help.  We feel that we have exhausted most avenues of trying to
troubleshoot this issue.

What we are trying to do is route Internet traffic for remote branch office
sites via our central office's Internet connection.  As an example, we have
a 2Mb AT&T Internet connection in our Paris office, connected to a 15Mb
AT&T Internet connection in London.  We run a Cisco GRE tunnel between a
3640-VPN/MP router in Paris and a 7206VXR/G1 router in London.  In London,
we also have a Nokia IP530 appliance running a fresh install of Check Point
NG:AI, connected to a 10Mb PSINet Internet connection.

The Cisco GRE tunnel has a MTU size of 1420 set at both ends for it's
tunnel interfaces.  This is the highest we can use based on the
encryption/encapsulation chosen in order to facilitate protocols such as
OSPF from working over the link.  All other interfaces along the way
(router ethernets and Nokia interfaces) are set the default 1500.

The problem is that users in the Paris branch office are unable to view
_some_ websites.  Examples of ones that don't work are www.yahoo.fr and
www.adp.fr.  The majority work fine, including www.cisco.com and
www.google.com.

When running a tcpdump on the IP530 in London (on the external interface),
during a session from Paris to one of the offending websites, the following
is logged:

16:36:21.025051 O 154.38.47.5 > 194.3.182.10: icmp: 154.38.47.5 unreachable
- need to frag (mtu 1420)
16:36:27.586541 I 194.3.182.10.80 > 154.38.47.5.41571: . 1:1461(1460) ack
249 win 63992 (DF)
16:36:27.588356 O 154.38.47.5 > 194.3.182.10: icmp: 154.38.47.5 unreachable
- need to frag (mtu 1420)
16:36:40.711277 I 194.3.182.10.80 > 154.38.47.5.41571: . 1:1461(1460) ack
249 win 63992 (DF)
16:36:40.713043 O 154.38.47.5 > 194.3.182.10: icmp: 154.38.47.5 unreachable
- need to frag (mtu 1420)

We have also noticed that the packet size of traffic received from
offending sites seems to be 1514 bytes.  For sites that work, i.e.
cisco.com, it seems to be 1486 bytes.

We have tried lots of things on the GRE tunnel configuration on our Cisco
routers, including settings to ignore the Don't Fragment (DF) bit, and to
force different MTU sizes.  A long-running Cisco TAC case has not suggested
any way around our problem.

Can anyone explain the cause of this problem, and suggest anything that can
be done on our Nokia/Check Point configuration to prevent this occurring?
Out of interest, when we route the Internet traffic past the Nokia IP530
firewall and onto an Internet connection at another downstream site, which
uses a Cisco PIX firewall instead, the remote Paris users ARE able to
browse the offending websites successfully.  This indicates that it must be
something to do with the Nokia/Check Point installation.

Any comments or suggestions would be greatly received.

Thanks,
Marcel

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