Part of the problem may be lack of publicity - I haven't seen anything advocating or demonstrating the proposals outside of infrequent mentions on the mailing list. While the mailing lists are great they aren't the best forum to grab the attention of everyone who's not a mail machine. I will play around with the stuff already committed over the weekend. Publicity aside, folk can only blame themselves when it reaches Core without comments ;). It really is one of those features that bind up, package and present the concept of "build an application" allowing developer's skip at least some of the head wrecking repetition and uncertainty you have when your first and only applicaton file is a lonely "<?php".
I was wondering - where is Ralph's blog? Usually I'd expect to see a few posts somewhere introducing and throwing out updates on this sort of thing. With the little information publicly available, being unaware there even is a Zend_Tool project isn't surprising. Best regards, Paddy Pádraic Brady http://blog.astrumfutura.com http://www.patternsforphp.com OpenID Europe Foundation ----- Original Message ---- From: Wil Sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Bill Karwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; fw-general@lists.zend.com Sent: Thursday, July 3, 2008 6:40:32 AM Subject: RE: [fw-general] Why haven't you reviewed the Zend_Tool proposals? Hey Bill- this is just the feedback we need. I'm embarrassed to admit that I had them bookmarked and hadn't noticed that they were still in "New". I agree with you that "New" is where they should be, but- as you well know- this is a large initiative that Ralph could use some help with even before presenting class skeletons. That said, I also mentioned that we *really* need use cases in my comments; Ralph, it's clear that's our top priority here. I would like to stress that both Ralph and I feel that we need continuous community feedback during the process of bring these proposals to a first draft state. Ralph has taken on a monumental task; it's somewhat analogous to creating our entire MVC implementation in one go. I guess I should have made it clearer that these proposals are exceptional in that regard; please do *not* wait to give your feedback until they've been fully polished up. Ralph needs all the feedback he can get right now. Thanks. ,Wil > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Karwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 4:49 PM > To: fw-general@lists.zend.com > Subject: Re: [fw-general] Why haven't you reviewed the Zend_Tool > proposals? > > > > wllm wrote: > > > > Why haven't you reviewed the Zend_Tool proposals? > > > > Well, the first thing I notice is that the proposals aren't filed under > "Ready for Review!" > > They're filed under "New", which is honestly where they should be at > this > stage, because the proposals are far from complete. > > Zend_Tool_CodeGenerator: > - nothing written under Requirements and Acceptance Criteria (only that > it > should use Zend_Reflection, which is an implementation detail, not a > requirement) > - nothing written under Use Cases > - nothing written under Class Skeletons > > Zend_Tool_Project: > - only two lines under Requirements and Acceptance Criteria > - only one Use Case written > - nothing written under Class Skeletons > > Zend_Tool_Rpc: > - only four lines under Requirements and Acceptance Criteria (two of > which > are "will not" exclusions) > - nothing written under Use Cases > - nothing written under Class Skeletons > > Regards, > Bill Karwin > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Why-haven%27t-you- > reviewed-the-Zend_Tool-proposals--tp18221384p18249243.html > Sent from the Zend Framework mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
