It is a big piece, so my guess is that the day to day developer will
have to invest more time to review it because is not familiar with the
architecture behind this kind of tools (at list this is my case) compare
to MVC. And as it is a productivity tools and not a vital component that
he realy need to develop his app like Zend_Form or Zend_View enhanced ,
Zend_Tool get "less interest". $0.2 :)
So as Paddy said more stuff demonstrating the proposals will be good.
Regards,
Laurent
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Laurent Melmoux
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Pádraic Brady a écrit :
Part of the problem may be lack of publicity - I haven't seen anything
advocating or demonstrating the proposals outside of infrequent
mentions on the mailing list. While the mailing lists are great they
aren't the best forum to grab the attention of everyone who's not a
mail machine. I will play around with the stuff already committed over
the weekend. Publicity aside, folk can only blame themselves when it
reaches Core without comments ;). It really is one of those features
that bind up, package and present the concept of "build an
application" allowing developer's skip at least some of the head
wrecking repetition and uncertainty you have when your first and only
applicaton file is a lonely "<?php".
I was wondering - where is Ralph's blog? Usually I'd expect to see a
few posts somewhere introducing and throwing out updates on this sort
of thing. With the little information publicly available, being
unaware there even is a Zend_Tool project isn't surprising.
Best regards,
Paddy
Pádraic Brady
http://blog.astrumfutura.com
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----- Original Message ----
From: Wil Sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Bill Karwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; fw-general@lists.zend.com
Sent: Thursday, July 3, 2008 6:40:32 AM
Subject: RE: [fw-general] Why haven't you reviewed the Zend_Tool
proposals?
Hey Bill- this is just the feedback we need. I'm embarrassed to admit
that I had them bookmarked and hadn't noticed that they were still in
"New". I agree with you that "New" is where they should be, but- as you
well know- this is a large initiative that Ralph could use some help
with even before presenting class skeletons. That said, I also mentioned
that we *really* need use cases in my comments; Ralph, it's clear that's
our top priority here.
I would like to stress that both Ralph and I feel that we need
continuous community feedback during the process of bring these
proposals to a first draft state. Ralph has taken on a monumental task;
it's somewhat analogous to creating our entire MVC implementation in one
go. I guess I should have made it clearer that these proposals are
exceptional in that regard; please do *not* wait to give your feedback
until they've been fully polished up. Ralph needs all the feedback he
can get right now.
Thanks.
,Wil
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Karwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 4:49 PM
> To: fw-general@lists.zend.com <mailto:fw-general@lists.zend.com>
> Subject: Re: [fw-general] Why haven't you reviewed the Zend_Tool
> proposals?
>
>
>
> wllm wrote:
> >
> > Why haven't you reviewed the Zend_Tool proposals?
> >
>
> Well, the first thing I notice is that the proposals aren't filed
under
> "Ready for Review!"
>
> They're filed under "New", which is honestly where they should be at
> this
> stage, because the proposals are far from complete.
>
> Zend_Tool_CodeGenerator:
> - nothing written under Requirements and Acceptance Criteria (only
that
> it
> should use Zend_Reflection, which is an implementation detail, not a
> requirement)
> - nothing written under Use Cases
> - nothing written under Class Skeletons
>
> Zend_Tool_Project:
> - only two lines under Requirements and Acceptance Criteria
> - only one Use Case written
> - nothing written under Class Skeletons
>
> Zend_Tool_Rpc:
> - only four lines under Requirements and Acceptance Criteria (two of
> which
> are "will not" exclusions)
> - nothing written under Use Cases
> - nothing written under Class Skeletons
>
> Regards,
> Bill Karwin
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