I'd definitely be interested in helping to generate interest from this
module. My own interests lie in waiting for the interface to settle
somewhat so that I can start development on a TextMate bundle for
seamless ZF integration.
I've managed to get at least a version of the seemingly current
installation working from:
http://framework.zend.com/svn/framework/standard/branches/user/ralph/ZendTool
The Quickstart that was in the wiki got me to this point I believe. I
think the problem thus-far with Zend_Tool has largely been an
organisational one, despite all the hype the lack of consolidated
documentation is potentially leading most people here to believe that
the project is further from requiring their input that in actually is.
Looking forward to seeing what you come up with in the next week. I'm
really not sure why more people are not excited about this!
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On Jul 12, 2008, at 2:12 AM, Ralph Schindler wrote:
Awesome!
My plan today is to check in code, and produce a script/quickstart
so that
you and other can be in the exact position (dev. Environment wise),
that I
am in right now.
After that, I am gonna work on the “Big Picture” - 10,000 foot view
of what
the goals are, and functionally, how they are broken down. This
will help
you see the Goals -> Implementation relationship, which I too think is
lacking at this exact moment.
Let me know your availability too, I'll be in zftalk.dev this
afternoon.
-ralph
On 7/11/08 11:02 AM, "Tobias Gies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
*raises hand*
I'd definitely be interested in getting Zend_Tool out there as
well, and I'd
be happy to help if I can.
Ralph, I'll checkout the code from the lab as soon as I get home. I
must say
that Paddy and Rob said what I think, too: The Zend_Tool and
Zend_Build
proposals somehow lack the... the "thing" that makes them all fall
into the
big picture, something about the roles they play.
Also, in my opinion, there also is some confusion out there what
the tooling
environment of ZF will actually *do* when it's done. Some early
posts, for
example, mentioned a thing like "autogeneration of ACLs", something
that
nobody lost a word about in recent mails.
The ZF tooling environment somehow lacks something that really
makes it
outstanding from the rest of (CLI) build tools out there. OK, That
last one is
arguable, since (y)our build environment is fully configurable via
XML, but it
does nothing others couldn't do, which is sort of sad when I look
back at the
high expectations (or speculations?) that were built up in the
first mails
about a ZF tooling environment.
my .02.
Best regards
Tobias
2008/7/11 Ralph Schindler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Paddy + Rob,
Thank you guys for taking a look at the code. It appears that
there are
some things getting confused with respect to the code and where it
lives.
Rob, I noticed in your last post you mentioned some artifacts that
are not
part of my proposals and the work I have been doing, but part of
Wil's
initial initiative.
Ill remove those pronto so that there is no more confusion.
Currently, I am preparing the codebase inside the lab. Right now
I am
putting together some loose functional tests and a script/
quickstart to get
you exactly everything you need to get this working on your system.
Since you guys have shown the interest, what are both of your
availabilities
so that I can perhaps be available to you to get you up to speed?
After I
get my code checked in and ready for you, I would really
appreciate if we
can do a screencast or conf. call or whatever so I can better know
how to
transfer all this knowledge.
That goes for anyone in the community that is interested in
putting effort
into this initiative.
More on this in a few hours :)
-ralph
On 7/11/08 9:32 AM, "Pádraic Brady" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I'm hoping to have some time to see if I can help tackle the "big
picture" issues this weekend/early next week. It seems obvious
to me
that we should start with a list of desired functionality and an
idea
of how the command line syntax should look. We can then follow
that on
with some notes on how to customise what happens when you run any
given function.
I was under the same impression but there seems to be a lot of
momentum
we're not seeing. With a prototype scheduled for 1.6, it would
appear this
process has already been done internally but the current
proposals just
don't capture this in any way or give any clue as to progress in
this
respect. Like I said, the proposals very much appear to be
implementation
details for an as yet undisclosed vision of how Zend_Tool and
Zend_Build
will operate in tandem from the command line. Until it's
disclosed there's
nothing there for the community to review (I wouldn't know where
to start at
present), and a 1.6 prototype is the only thing currently on the
cards which
will open up that box just as it will build up expectations of
how the final
command line tools will be presented among users.
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