Since on a Mac you can have a native install of XP or any other version of
Windows you like since, I fail to understand this argument. By having a Mac
with a *native* install of XP, or Win7, or whatever you want, you have the
best of both worlds in a machine that you will probably be able to use for
years and years to come. A modern OS for debs who are moving forward, and an
XP install for your old titles.
Response: This does make sense if or when the money can be found. A Mac
costs more, but the costs associated with Freedom Scientific's SMA are
eliminated.
As for using Windows 7 with a classic shell, if the OS had not been so
drastically changed, there would be no need for the classic shell. It is
there because people would be using it because they like the feel and ease
of use of the older operating system. If we like the operation of the old,
why was the change made to begin with?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Draconis" <i...@dracoent.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows
Hi Dark,
Responses throughout again.
*snip*
one of my intrinsic problems with this upgrade business is to do with
practical good and also practicality of how many computers one can
actually own.
i do not actually have the space for more than one desktop, plus laptops
have a shorter life generally. Virtual xp is always a solution next to a
main os, but how well that runs I'm not sure over all.
*snip*
These days, with SSD's and the like, laptops have comparable life-spans to
desktops. And, since several options proposed do *not* involve having
multiple machines, I fail to see the problem here, either.
*snip*
As regards windows 7 generally however, one of my main issues with this
debate is that programmers take a look at a new system and say "wow, look
at the specs, look at the hardware, support for this that and the other
etc"
Myself, i don't give a monkey's rear how much ram a computer has, what
programs it runs what processor it has etc, it's all a question of what
can I do with it. This is also wy i cryticize post xp windows and
microsoft's over all approach to interface generally, since frankly having
used windows 7 on several machines I do not agree with dallas point, and
while classic shell might be an option, well why should I move from an
interface I'm comfortable with, that I can personally customize to one I
must jigger with in order to work? and that's not just in the programs
either.
*snip*
No one here has said anything about RAM or any other hardware specs, so that
argument is coming out of left field. Generally speaking, i don't care that
much about hardware specs either. It is the usability of the machine that is
the main concern.
People have given you quite a few good reasons to upgrade in this thread,
you just aren't listening, because your mind is already made up, and you
aren't really considering other possible scenarios. If in a couple of years
you're still running XP and a newly discovered security exploit leaves you
high and dry, then that is the risk you are choosing to take. If you still
go out and purchase another XP machine after that, then you've got no one to
blame but yourself.
*snip*
if there were hundreds of great new games which required windows 7, well
I'd likely have a good reason to, but that is simply not the case, which
is quite ironic given that I did make a similar switch from windows 98 to
xp back in 2002 for precisely that reason.
*snip*
Back then, there wasn't a contingency of users trying to keep developers
from moving on to XP, hence you were forced to change. I propose developers
do this again to help move things along. *grin*
*snip*
From a pure usability perspective, mac is probably a better option than
post xp windows at the moment, however legacy support is a severe issue,
particularly with developers who continue to essentially write for xp, and
even more specifically when there are comparatively few audio games on
mac.
*snip*
Since on a Mac you can have a native install of XP or any other version of
Windows you like since, I fail to understand this argument. By having a Mac
with a *native* install of XP, or Win7, or whatever you want, you have the
best of both worlds in a machine that you will probably be able to use for
years and years to come. A modern OS for debs who are moving forward, and an
XP install for your old titles.
*snip*
while I do appreciate the issues that developers have, at the same time
there is an element of give and take needed I think, which is exactly why I
suggested developers aide in this situation, eg, by writing a guide on
virtual xp emulation with download for mac and windows 7, for trying to do
something about dosbox and vb6 etc, since at least for some people sticking
with xp it is a bit more than simple bloodymindedness, and if developers do
indeed want more people to shift to newer os so that they can take advantage
of all this stuff, maybe this is something that they can help with.
*snip*
As I said, for our part, we're moving our games forward to modern OS's. I
think asking developers to give up what they are working on to solve your
problems is a bit much, especially when there are simpler solutions already
available than what you are proposing be done. Windows 7 with a classic
shell, XP on a dual boot system, Mac/Windows dual boot system, etc.
Many of your arguments are based on incorrect or long out-of-date
assumptions, much like your assertion in previous discussions about iTunes
music, etc. You have several folks here explaining to you that things don't
need to be the doom and gloom you say, and giving you several possible
options to the problems you raise.
If sticking with XP is what you want, by all means stick with it, but
understand that you can't rely on others to bail you out if that decision
backfires…whether that means that you start missing out on games that won't
run on XP, your security is compromised by a new exploit, etc.
The best, most practical, solution is to use XP in a dual boot or VM
scenario as an OS exclusively for using old software, and use something
modern for everything else. At least on the Mac, these things are extremely
easy to do.
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