hi,
you forgot about the ability of windows 8 to perform all maintenence
tasks together directed by one process
so unlike win7 windows 8 will download and install updates, clean log
files, defrag the hdd etconly when your pc is idle
also the refresh and reset feature is another reason to upgrade to win8
another reason to try modern operating systrms is multicore and
multithreading support
if you have a xp box it won't support multithreading or multicore in the
pro version without some tweeking
not to mention that xp is full of security holes right now if you took a
rtm release of xp installed it with no updates and plugged in the
ethernet cable on a network with no firewall the pc would be infected in
0 seconds
I know this because i've tried it on a old xp box
I have had no such problems on windows 8
On 4/30/2013 8:34 PM, Thomas Ward wrote:
Hi Dark,
Upon reading this and other messages you have written I think the
fundimental problem is that you have no experience developing
software, or working for a company where you have to develop,
maintain, and support software for a long period of time so your
comments completely overlook technical reasons why your ideas can not
and do not work from a practicality standpoint.
For example, you accused Microsoft of not doing their job properly
because they do not support all their libraries and software from Dos
all the way up to Windows 8. OK, I guess Apple is just as bad as
Microsoft because you can not run applications from Mac OS 9 and
earlier on OS X. You can't run programs designed for an Apple II-E on
a brand new Macbook without an emulator. I guess the Linux developers
are all just as bad as Microsoft too because there are some older
applications that do not work with Pulse Audio and it requires some
rather extensive workarounds to make them work on a modern Linux OS. I
could go on and on but won't.
The bottom line is the first thing you need to understand this isn't a
problem specific to Microsoft. Every single operating system be it
Windows, Mac OS, Linux, whatever will not run some software if it is
too old and out of date. Hardware changes, libraries change, software
changes, and it becomes harder and harder to maintain support for
older software.
As I mentioned in a previous email newer Intel and AMD 64-bit
processors can not execute or run 16-bit code. That is why 64-bit
Windows and Linux do not run 16-bit applications. The only way to
resolve that problem is to write a 16-bit to 64-bit emulator like
Dosbox which creates a virtual 16-bit environment for Dos
applications. My question is why should Microsoft spend all their time
and resources developing such an emulator when a very small number of
their customers will ever need it?
The other issue is bloat. One of the things Microsoft did with Windows
7 is they went through the operating system and removed a lot of older
legacy code for libraries and applications which resulted in the
operating system running faster and increased over all stability.
Things like Visual Basic 6, Outlook Express, etc got scrapped in the
process but the end result is a better operating system in terms of
stability and speed.
One of the things about Windows 8 I especially like is its start time.
Windows 8 really boots very fast, and on a new PC runs very smooth. A
lot of that speed can be attributed to yanking out a lot of old
garbage that was no longer needed that were just wasting drive space
as well as memory.
So in order for Microsoft to support everything from Dos on up it
would result in a lot of unnecessary bloat and could introduce
unnecessary stability issues. Not to mention requires time and money
that could be spent on something else more productive. That's where
third-party developers like VMWare come in as they fulfill the needs
of people who want to run their old software on a new PC.
Cheers!
On 4/30/13, dark <d...@xgam.org> wrote:
Hi Tom.
I completely agree that in 10, 20 years down the line etc things will
change, however that is not the current decision. When I considder do I
change from xp to a newer os, I way up the costs and bennifits. It is
entirely possible that windows 8 (with a touch screen), windows 9, mac os
etc will have sufficient bennifits in terms of new and interesting stuff to
do on it for me to want to upgrade, heck I've already bought an Iphone just
for that reason.
Equally however one thing I do notice betwene pc and console games is that
while mainstream console games are heavily supported on newer systems, ----
indeed I hear of ac ompletely retro console under developement, so that if
my snes ever gave up the ghost I wouldn't lose my games, the same is simply
not true for pc titles which is why legacy support is such an important
factor.
Fundamentally, if microsoft did! do their job properly and support all their
old libraries on newer versions of windows, just as windows right up to xp
had ful dos support meaning that you could run a peace of software written
in the late 70's right up to now, we would not be having this conversation
since even if there were! newer games that only ran on newer windows you
wouldn't be asking users to give up what games they had already in addition
to accepting microsoft's silly interface.
Beware the Grue!
Dark.
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