Good grief charlse, those costs in the states must be muuuuch! less than
when i last checked in Britain.
Over hear, last rate for embossing I saw was £5 a page, (or about 9usd),
actually not so much less than what you'd pay to have the thing read. This
admitedly was quite some time ago and I'm not sure what is the current going
wrate. Either way if braille menus can! be produced for as low as 20 cents
per page, that's far less than I thought, indeed I do remember being told
that a single sheet of embossed braille paper costfifty pence, meaning that
one A4 print page would be about one pound fifty before you even start
trying to make money.
then again as I said my figures aren't current so I'm not entirely
sure, ---- though I still believe it would be far cheaper on even a gross
hardware and time level to produce html than it would be to produce hard
copy braille.
Beware the Grue!
Dark.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Rivard" <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 5:14 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Some practical
questionsreguarding the Monopoly game
At $5 a page, a 100 page document would be far too costly. I don't know
of anyone who charges that much for producing braille documents. I
checked into the cost of braille embossing several years ago, and was
looking at producing braille menus for roughly 20 cents per page. This
was before the embossers that can emboss on both sides of the page, so the
cost would now be greatly decreased.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "dark" <d...@xgam.org>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 5:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly
game
Hi Tom.
Your statement about small developers is certainly true as I've said
before, indi devs tend to be on average very nice to deal with, ----
though whether the fat cat coorporations such as Sony, Nintendo, Capcom,
square, namco etc will take any notice whatsoever is quite another
question.
The problem with small restaurants however is that access costs money
they don't have and if they are told "well you can get a braille menu
printed for 500 pounds" they're just not going to do it since they don't
have that sort of investment.
This is actually where information technology and some of the principles
employed in game access would have a very good application in other
areas, since for all the time and resources one fact is that it's far
easier to provide an accessible alternative of something online than it
is off it.
For example, you know I am a major fan of the sight Chronicles of
Arborell with their gamebooks, novellas, mythology etc. Back in 2007 when
i first discovered arborell the only inaccessible part of the site was
the timeline, since the gm had created this entirely as a graphical flow
diagram which was utterly unreadable, (even the text of dates etc was
part of the over all image).
It however wasn't so difficult for him to create a list version instead,
after all he already had the information on his computer, it was just a
matter of copying it into another format and writing it as a list rather
than the fancy image thingy he'd done which no doubt looks much nicer for
sighted visitors but is of no use to the lusiently disadvantaged.
This cost him nothing but a little time, where as had the Arborell
collection been physical books and had there been a need to provide a
similar timeline in braille, goodness knows what the cost might be, ----
heck, I remember the trouble of having such things produced back when I
was doing maths and history at school.
I actually do wonder if there would be mileage in setting up a charity or
small business for precisely this purpose, say charging something like 5
usd per A4 page to produce an accessible html version of something like a
menue, an events schedule, a time table etc.
Heck, even for 100 pages this would still work out a fraction of the cost
of something in braille, and would also have the advantage of being far
more easily alterable over time just as a print menu would be, after all
even when I've been in places like the restaurant chain Tgi Fridays which
does! have a braille menue, it doesn't show any of their offers or
specials or even their most recently added dishes.
Myself, I actually see this inequity in production cost being another
major factor in Braille falling out of use in the future, since while it
is true that currently the Rnib and similar organizations don't know
computer exist, that is likely to change in 10, 20, 30 years when
generations who have grown up with computer use get to be 50 plus and
start losing their vision, ---- heck the lady I did my guide dog
training with was a programmer in her early 40's who'd lost most of her
vision recently (of course I told her about audiogames.net and accessible
computer games, and that Jaws wasn't the only choice when it came to
screen readers).
Beware the Grue!
Dark.
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