With respect Kara while I aprpeciate your sentiment, at the same time I
slightly resent your implication that I do not try with access and advocacy.
I spend a considderable amount of time talking to everyone from game
developers to shop keepers to even professors, religious leaders, stage
directors and even government ministers about access issues, ---- heck I've
just spent the last five years writing a phd on the subject!
Just today I was discussing game access with a certain developer and indeed
I opened my E-mail to share some good news with the list.
I'm not saying this to sound arrogant or pretend credit I don't have. There
are plenty of good access advocates on the world and indeed many I've met on
this list, however please bare in mind when I talk of difficulties with
major coorporations, I do so based on a number of experiences.
You are absolutely correct that not all major companies are like this (I got
a recent surprise from a rail company over guide dogs and setaing for
example), however in my general experience someone like mcdonalds, burger
king etc is not likely to listen. it's worth a try, indeed whenever I go to
a new restaurant I always ask for a braille menu out of reflex just to
publicise the need for access, (maybe I should start asking for html ones to
read on my iphone instead), however once tried it's likely better to move on
to something achieveable than just bang your head against the same brick
wall over and over again.
For example, I've three times spoken to nintendo, and twice to capcom, and
got no where on any occasion. With Indi developers however the reccord has
been much more positive, ---- therefore I know which games companies I will
spend my time trying to talk to.
Hope this makes sense.
Beware the grue!
dark.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cara Quinn" <caraqu...@caraquinn.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly
game
Dark,
HOw much do you want it and why are you giving up so easily?
I'm not trying to disrespect you or in any way invalidate your efforts but
if these things are important to you then you owe it to yourself to
continue in pursuing them.
Just because people say no does not mean that that is the final word.
Things change. People change. corporations change and corporate culture
changes. -But if you do not continue in the direction you need to then you
can be sure that change (if it comes) will come much more slowly without
your efforts.
How do you think movements get started? Someone doesn't just go out one
day and suddenly have a boatload of willing followers and people giving
them what they need. ;) No, they need to build credibility and trust over
time, until people begin to start seeing things differently.
I know this is a gaming list / thread but seriously, if we want
accessibility then we are the ones who need to continue promoting this and
working with people and companies to get it.
Please do not give up, K?
Thanks,
Cara :)
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On Dec 11, 2013, at 9:09 AM, dark <d...@xgam.org> wrote:
Sadly charlse that's not how most coroproations work, ---- what, do
something against the main corproate policy? they could get into trouble!
I'm actually serious on this, the amount of times I've asked for some sort
of access considderation and been told some varient of "sorry head office
won't let me" is quite ridiculous, in coorporations, governmental
organizations, even charrities!
As I said, the bigger the ant hill, the bigger the stink.
Beware the Grue!
dark.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Rivard" <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly
game
Possibly, just because a corporation does not offer a braille menu, a
manager might do so. Just because The Game Stop does not sell accessible
chess equipment, one store might be able to accommodate a blind chess
enthusiast. In order to get to the top, you've got to start at the
bottom. Maybe, with enough requests, the word will get to the top,
eventually.
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finished, you! really! are! finished!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Ward"
<thomasward1...@gmail.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly
game
Hi Dark:
All too true. We have been over this ground before, and unfortunately
there is not much we can do as individuals. Especially, when
organizations and so forth is not on our side in the case of providing
access to products and services.
For example, I know there are a number of game studios over their in
the U.K. They would probably listen more to someone like the RNIB
rather than you. However, the RNIB has no interest in getting in
contact with those game studios about accessibility when they have
their own agenda which pretty much includes everyone over 60 and to
hell with anyone else. Its obvious when the only games they support is
the Azabat games when there are accessible games from GMA, Draconis,
and so on to give them a bigger catalog but don't.
Unfortunately, in cases like that the situation isn't always better
over here. We have the NFB which claims to be looking out for the
interests of the blind they represent, but all too often it seems like
they try and play both ends at the middle. What I mean by that is they
are on both sides of every issue and it is hard to get a straight
answer from them what they actually stand for regarding certain
issues. In any case I don't think they consider accessible games a
high priority so even though they have considerable influence they
will only champion the issues that they think are important, and
needless to say the NFB and I don't agree on what is and is not
important.
However, getting back to the point, as an individual companies be they
a multimillion dollar restaurant chain or a game studio they will swat
us off as easily as swatting a gnat. We neither have the money or
influence to get them to listen. However, we can effect local
businesses and indie developers and if more and more of them adopt
accessibility it will slowly trickle up to the corporations who will
see that accessibility isn't as expensive or difficult as they
imagine.
Cheers!
On 12/10/13, dark <d...@xgam.org> wrote:
Unfortunately as usual, getting in touch with anyone who actually
matters in
a corporation is near impossibel. However pleasant the staff, even the
management are, they can't affect any change in their huge faceless
corporate empire that is run from some massive office somewhere else.
As with game access this is another case of the larger the ant hill,
the
bigger the stink!
Beware the Grue!
Dark.
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