Well Dallas, your supposition doesnt hold up to
much scrutiny, since Apple has, and does, major
transitions on iOS all the time, and there are
somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 to 700 million iOS devices in use.
A much more key difference is that, with Apple
products, the hardware and software are
integrated in such a way as to vastly improve
reliability and cut down on the infinity numbers
of configurations and complexity we see in PCs.
Makers of game consoles also use an integrated
strategy, and we are seeing it adopted by more
and more electronics companies, because it
simply works, and provides users with a superior experience.
Microsoft is slowly dabbling with integrated
products, first with the restrictions on Windows
Phone hardware and then by producing the Surface
RT and Surface Pro. They have, of course, done
this for quite some time with Xbox.
So the sheer number of users really has little
to do with it. Its simply that Apple has historically done this better.
On Dec 19, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Dallas O'Brien <dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hi, it's not only that, but simply because apple's user base is
> actually nothing, when it comes to a number situation. they have all
> of about 50 to 70 million users on mac, not all of which are up to
> date, but more then not. then Microsoft, has over 1.5 billion! users
> in windows. they have more people to please then apple. apple can get
> away with jumping to something different in an instant, cause half the
> world doesn't rely on them. where as for Microsoft, 95 percent of the
> entire computing world rely's on them. lol. that's a lot of
> responsibility.
> Dallas
>
>
> On 20/12/2013, Alex Kenny <alexkenn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Yes, I would definitely agree that Apple has always handled these
>> transitions very well, much better than Microsoft.
>>
>> I think one reason for this is MS's large number of Enterprise
>> customers. Enterprises tend to migrate to newer technologies extremely
>> slowly, and I think this is holding MS back in many ways. There are
>> several bugs in the Windows API that MS has left in because fixing
>> them would break enterprise deployments of older software. I think
>> Apple's relatively lower success in the enterprise is a good thing, as
>> it allows them to evolve their products much more easily.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/19/13, Draconis <i...@dracoent.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Alex,
>>>
>>> Just adding a bit to your comments.
>>>
>>> Apples aggressive strategy regarding software upgrades tends to keep
>>> their
>>> platforms more robust and stable, but comes at the cost of some backward
>>> compatibility.
>>>
>>> That said, though, Apple has also made it extremely easy for developers
>>> to
>>> keep their software current, regardless of platform. Indeed, migrating
>>> from
>>> PPC to Intel was a painless transition for the vast majority of
>>> developers.
>>> Far more trivial than trying to upgrade VB6 apps, even under the best of
>>> circumstances. Much has been written, in fact, on just how good Apple has
>>> gotten at these kinds of technological transitions, and they get smoother
>>> and smoother as the years go by. So far, the major transitions have been:
>>>
>>> OS Classic to OS X
>>> Carbon to Cocoa
>>> PPC to Intel
>>> 32 bit to 64 bit Intel
>>> 32 to 64 bit mobile
>>>
>>> Im hoping that Microsoft will learn from its mistakes and adopt some
>>> similar strategies going forward.
>>>
>>> On Dec 19, 2013, at 12:41 PM, Alex Kenny <alexkenn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dark,
>>>>
>>>> I'd just like to point out some misinformation in this post, and some
>>>> misunderstandings about Mac and iOS.
>>>>
>>>> First, you said that iOS apps never have compatibility issues with iOS
>>>> upgrades. This is definitely not the case. Several apps, including
>>>> Solara (to bring this somewhat back to games) had some serious bugs
>>>> running on IOS 7, and some apps were completely unusable until the
>>>> developers released updates to fix compatibility.
>>>>
>>>> Second, if you're looking for an OS that places a high priority on
>>>> backward compatibility, you're not going to get it from OS X. Apple is
>>>> much more aggressive about discontinuing old API's and technologies
>>>> and removing them than even Microsoft is. Allow me to illustrate this.
>>>>
>>>> In 2005, Apple switched from using the Power PC processor architecture
>>>> to the Intel X86/X64 architecture used by Windows PC's. In order to
>>>> provide backward-compatibility for PowerPC applications, Apple
>>>> included a PpC emulator called Rosetta. The last PPC-compatible OS X
>>>> version was 10.5, released in 2007. Version 10.6, released in 2009,
>>>> was not compatible with PowerPC hardware, but stil supported Rosetta.
>>>> However, the next version, released in 2011, removed Rosetta support.
>>>>
>>>> Let's say that, for example, BSC Games had written their software for
>>>> Mac instead of Windows. If I'm not mistaken, Pipe 2 was last updated
>>>> in February 2005, a few months before Apple announced the Intel
>>>> transition. Within just six years, you would no longer be able to run
>>>> the game on newer versions of the OS. You could just refuse to update
>>>> to a newer OS, but once your machine broke, you'd have no choice but
>>>> to hunt down parts on eBay or be forced to stop using any incompatible
>>>> software.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/19/13, dark <d...@xgam.org> wrote:
>>>>> Well tom I don't really believe there's much else to say since for me,
>>>>> security isn't an issue due to fhtird party software and I'd rather run
>>>>> avg
>>>>>
>>>>> than have the harrassment of running windows 8 and a virtual xp system.
>>>>> maybe that's different for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> if microsoft of course hadn't mucked up compatiblity with vb6
>>>>> applications
>>>>>
>>>>> and dos programs, well I'd be happy to upgrade even with relearning the
>>>>> interface, and indeed I imagine everyone else currently running xp
>>>>> would
>>>>> as
>>>>>
>>>>> well, so it's certain where the blaime for this situation belongs. This
>>>>> is
>>>>> actually one prime advantage Ios seems to have over windows since it
>>>>> doesn't break existing programs when upgrading, and is another reason
>>>>> I'd
>>>>> like to investigate the actual bennifits (if any), of mac as opposed to
>>>>> windows 7 since if I've got to run xp in a virtual machine anyway, well
>>>>> it
>>>>> doesn't make too much difference whether I use mac or windows.
>>>>>
>>>>> Beware the Grue!
>>>>>
>>>>> Dark.
>>>>
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