I agree dark.
a simular discussion is going on the nvda list.
I have 7 but a lot of the games that are for the blind are old.
I have used xp for ages, and it still works.
7 is a good system as far as its better than vista.
8 though I don't know its ok but there are som many visual things now.
And who needs all the extra cloud services anyway.
So much is focused on touch.
Yeah touch is good but the blind never needed to use it before and I
see no reason why we should even do so.
We don't need the extra stuff.
back in the day dos with the blind persons os.
Now its xp.
and still is to a major extent xp.
I have 7 which is the last so called desktop os, and well who knows.
Linux is starting to look attractive except I have spent so much cash
on windows apps I will need something to run windows like a vm in
which case I may as well continue running windows.
I have no doubt that there will be another system a system which is
better than xp, better than 7 better than 8.
I do think though that we need some interface for windows that is
like the old os, desktop, internet explorer, start menus and the like.
We never needed all the extras for ages and I recon we still don't.
I hate to say this, but it may be time to retreat into devices
designed for the blind and bugger the sighted.
I never thought I'd do a reversal like this but its almost like the
entire world of software is going against us.
We fight back and continue but there is a point when I do wander what
would have happened if I had never gone.
At 05:58 AM 12/20/2013, you wrote:
Hi Tom.
to be honest I don't agree with you about microsoft simply because
of the money involved. on xp I can run programs for dos written in
qbasic, C and goodness knows what from 20 years ago. That is a huge
corpus of material. Up to xp microsoft had a care for all that
legacy support which is why I can download copies of even something
like the dos version of hunt the wumpus from 1978 and run it.
You could write a program in basic and it'd be fine on xp today,
just as was the original plan for Eamon deluxe.
With post xp windows however microsoft are following a model of
upgrade or else to both devs and users alike, and no, I don't
accept the arguement that microsoft couldn't include this support
indeed the fact that they've seen the light with respect to vb6
shows that they could and were just being money grubbing with their
phase out, (you yourself admit the price for all the vb net stuff).
With games, well it's not just the case of running or not running so
much as capabilities. A developer like Jim kitchin who has worked
in vb6 for years, well what bennifits are there to him to running vb
net other than the extra harrassment caused by microsoft and the
need to buy new vb net tools. Also, would Jim Kitchin's games be any
better for using vb net or another programming language than using
vb 6? ---- I don't kow, not being a programmer but that is also a
question which needs answering.
Ultimately it comes down as I said to bennifits. Whichever way you
cut the cookie upgrading is a hassle, and a hassle which microsoft
have only made worse with their buggered up interface and lack of
compatibility, a fact which I'm glad to see they are at least
recognizing with their including of vb6 support (I've heard lots of
stories of things not working on windows 8 so it's good that
microsoft are finally seeing some sense at least).
To your stand off question well to be honest as I said if microsoft
had done a better job with windows 7 we wouldn't be having this
conversation. Maybe windows 8, maybe windows 9, maybe a future
version will be better. I'm confident enough myself that something
better than xp will! come along in the future which will make myself
and others change, ---- but until then well if people keep using xp
and developers keep writing for it, what is so wrong with that?
it's like laser disks and dvds. Back in the mid 1990's, I knew
someone who had bought a new laser disk system. He claimed the video
and sound were better, and all the technical bits were there and
asked why I and other still used video.
We said we used video becuase there were still more good films on
video to watch than laserdisk, even though laserdisk was
technically a better format.
Of course 10 or so years later, and dvd replaced video, and myself
and everyone else got to change our videos for dvds because there
are now much better and cheaper films available on dvd than video,
and most things that were originally video have been ported to dvd,
---- and laserdisk has fallen by the way side, however had we
migrated to laserdisk just because it was technically better we'd
have not been any better off now.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
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