And yet the author of LOTR himself was a christian and interweeved a lot of his beliefs into the whole story. So I don't quite get that one.
-----Original Message----- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: 10 September 2009 17:03 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] My Thoughts: Re: the Jehovah's witnesses viewpointon gaming My grandma is generally like that and so was my very first girlfriend. You didn't mention Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter or even CHronicles of Narnia around them. I found out that they believed Aslan was actually the devil since God would never give himself any kind of physical representation or somesuch. If they'd react that way about books they'd be just as bad about games. My x and I got into a big argument about an RPG I happen to be a fan of, a series actually, the first of which was called Lufia and the Fortress of Doom. Chelsey's problem stemmed partly from the fact that the heroes were engaged in battle with four godlike beings called Sinistrals. I guess in her mind we hsouldn't fight against a god, however evil he might be. Then there was the fact that the characters had to find and use various magical items to become more powerful so they would stand a chance. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Ward" <thomasward1...@gmail.com> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] My Thoughts: Re: the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming > Hi, > Unfortunately, I've met my fair share of people like that. My in-laws > are > a prime example of the type of bigots that they think they are the judge, > jury, and executioner on everything and anything regardless if they know > anything factual about it or not. Such condemning evidence can come from a > brief commercial, what roomers they have heard, or another Christians > opinion on the subject. in other words they draw their conclusions not on > facts but on other's subjective opinions, comments, and their own bias > towards this or that. > For example, when I first met my wife her family and I got into a topic > about movies, entertainment, etc. I made the mistake of mentioning i was a > big fan of Star Wars. Her parents started in on me right away that Star > Wars was evil, Satanic, and they had devils in it, etc. It was obvious > from the conversation that they didn't have a clue what Star Wars was > about, and they had a subjective notion based on completely false > information. After arguing back and forth for a while I soon discovered > they had seen a commercial for the Phantom menace where they had seen a > brief clip of Darth Maul. They assumed because Darth Maul looked like a > devil that he was to play the part of Satan in the movie. Their conclusion > was totally false, of course, but that's how easily they were convinced > Star Wars is Satanic. > My point is that if people like that want to be taken seriously when > discussing the morality of games, movies, books, whatever they first have > to get their facts straight. Only facts, not assumptions, will be a more > effective tool in making their argument and will strengthen their case. > Simply stating game x, movie x, or book x is evil without offering up > real facts or evidence to back up their opinion is meaningless. > > > ChB wrote: >> The incredibly stupid part is also that usually the ones condemning >> video games are the ones who have nebver even played a single one of >> those games themselves. Bigottry comes with a lot of prejudice, be it >> games or against other minority people. It is probably best to just >> ignore such attempts and not give it acknowledgement by even >> bother discussing them. That just makes them think one is >> taking them seriously. >> chrissy >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org >> [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Munawar Bijani >> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:44 PM >> To: Gamers Discussion list >> Subject: [Audyssey] My Thoughts: Re: the Jehovah's witnesses >> viewpoint on gaming >> >> Hi, >> The articles appeared to have no credible information at all; from >> start to finish, they kept naming "one youth" who said "this or >> that." Very rarely >> did they mention names, and to me that's suspicious as far >> as their content >> and research is concerned. >> Further, they explained their arguments by asking questions. >> For instance, >> they ask "Could not such games cultivate an unhealthy >> curiosity about >> demonic forces?" Does this question really prove anything? >> My answer to that >> is, no. Sure, some may argue that those types of questions >> get you to think, >> but the way I see things, there is no point in asking a >> rhetorical question >> if you will not answer it. I see their "findings" as a bunch >> of logical >> fallacies, saying things like "If x represents y, then can't >> Y be harmful >> for the child?" Maybe if they had more credible information >> instead of "as >> one youth put it," I would be more open to their articles. >> For now, though, >> I have dismissed it as an attempt of so-called "religious >> fundamentalism" >> trying to destroy monotheism again. >> The authors commit an obvious fallacy when they mention the >> Bible's >> viewpoint on magic, and then state that games are teaching >> magic today. In a >> game, you are not taught how to wave a wand, concentrate >> your thoughts, go >> in to a state of meditation, curse people, etc. All you do >> is press buttons. >> If the power goes out, well, there goes your little magic >> trick. Why do the >> same people who condemn such games say it is okay to play >> online poker as >> long as you are not playing for money? Forget about magic, >> and focus on >> condemning gambling first--which is a much more realistic >> issue. >> I agree that certain types of games are not suited for >> children, but that >> has nothing to do with the "Christian viewpoint"--anyone, >> anywhere, can tell >> you that much. Instead of saying "that is what a good >> faithful Christian >> believes" the statement would be more correct if it said >> "that is what >> anyone in their right mind believes." >> Munawar A. Bijani >> "Knowledge is of two types: absorbed and heard. The heard >> knowledge is only >> useful if it is absorbed." - Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib, Nahj >> Al-Balagha >> mailto:munaw...@gmail.com >> http://www.bpcprograms.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Darren Harris" < >> darren_g_har...@btinternet.com >> To: "'Louise Keel'" < >> louise.k...@comproom.co.uk >> >>> ; "'Gamers Discussion list'" >>> >> < >> gamers@audyssey.org >> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:24 AM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 >> articles >> >>> Absolutely. Also sometimes games can be a good way of >>> >> stress relief as >> >>> well. Or if you're seriously annoyed at something you can >>> >> vent that >> >>> annoyance in a game. Whether it be something like doom or >>> >> anything else. >> >>> To my mind games are harmless. If kids for example get a >>> >> hold of said >> >>> games then quite frankly it's the fault of the parents for >>> >> either >> >>> allowing them to play them or not being watchful enough >>> >> around their >> >>> kids. That said there are situations where by for example >>> >> if said child >> >>> goes to a friends house and plays said game that's always >>> >> a problem. >> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. 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