Agreed tom, though for personal prefer I rather prefer use x with y, sinse
that can also let you for instance use insecticide on a wasp or use a rope
to tie up a monster (both examples I've seen in eamon), as well as combine
type examples like use rope on hook, thus achievin more with one command,
sinse after all you wouldn't join insecticide with wasp.
I also would myself default to get over take, but this is pure preference
and mopstly because I've used get in
other games before, where as take and grab are less common but in this case
sinse they're psudonims for each other it really doesn't matter, ---- indeed
the only instance I can think of where there has been a difference was in
alteraeon, where take is used specifically to get stuff from donation
rooms, while get works everywhere else, but sinse donation rooms are a
special case it makes sense to have a specific command for them.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
so many other games, and would really be happy with ei
I also personally tend to default to get rather than take,
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Ward" <thomasward1...@gmail.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 3:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Looking for textadventures for beginners
Hi Dark,
Precisely my point. As we discussed a few months back on the Audio
Games forum a parser doesn't have to necessarily be overly complex to
be effective. In fact, the less commands the better and less confusing
it should be. One doesn't have to have a "grab," "get," and "take"
command which all essentially do the same thing. Simply typing "take
item" and being consistent with that will reduce confusion. Plus if a
command like "smell" isn't going to b used there is no sense in adding
it if the only message you will get back is "you smell nothing unusual
here."
As far as combining items such as creating a grappling hook I'd
probably use a command like "join rope and hook" which not only makes
sense but is far easier than "tie rope on hook" or "tie rope to hook"
etc. A "join" command or "combine" command could be used to join or
combine any two items together to create another special item. As long
as it is documented and the parser sticks to that convention no
problem.
The problem I've found with ZCode games is that there are so many
different commands that its difficult to figure out which one the
author chose to use for that particular action. Is it "in fireplace,"
"enter fireplace," or "north." You just don't know until you try all
the possibilities. If a command like "in" is used then it should be
consistent and we should not come along and have to use "enter" when
encountering a similar situation later on. In short, consistency is
the key.
As far as puzzles goes my philosophy is to keep it simple stupid so to
speak. That is the puzzle should be logical and make sense in a real
world context. If we have a text adventure where you type "climb rope"
and it says something cute like "you are unable to climb this rope
right now" you would have to think about that problem logically. Well,
if you have a big sword in one hand and a shield in the other you
might have to type "sheath sword" and drop the shield in order to use
both hands to climb the rope. After all, you can always climb back
down and get your shield later in the adventure. However, as puzzles
goes a person should figure it out without a huge leap of logic.
Cheers!
On 9/2/12, dark <d...@xgam.org> wrote:
Hi tom.
As I have said before, eamon really got it right I think in terms of
puzzles
by simply limiting the item manipulation commands to obvious ones. For
instance, you'd not be stuck trying to work out how to tie a rope onto a
hook, whether it's tie rope, tie rope with hook, knot rope on hook or
whatever, simply use rope, or possibly use rope on hook will be more than
enough, so I'll be interested to see what you can come up with.
The business with the nazies is just the sort of puzzle I like too, sinse
it
makes sense and doesn't take a huge amount of guessing, indeedd in the
Eamon
game thror's ring there is a similar puzzle with a large chunk of
mythrill
and a mine cart. You can only pick up the mithrill if you drop all your
other items sinse it is too large, ---- and there is a mine cart in the
other room.
So all you need to do is get the cart, drop your gear, pick up the
mythril,
put it in the cart, then pick your stuff back upp, ---- perfectly logical
and quite doable if you just look around (indeed the solution was obvious
to
me once I found the mine cart).
beware the grue!
Dark.
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