Joe, my apologies - a typo. Instead of " a world which generates now (probably) 20 million tonnes annually." that should read 20 _billion_ not million !

On 08/12/2013 12:33 PM, Joe Barnas wrote:
DAVID,

Thankyou for the insightful overview of biochar and comparative functionality of Zeolite, of which I was not familiar.

However one thing I am focused on is how to address catastrophic global climate change and for that having billions of gardeners sequestering carbon, while building healthy soil and hence healthy food is not something that Zeolite can provide. It is another tool in growing food, yes, but let's not lose sight of the long term benefit of promoting biochar. I might even try mixing some with biochar just to gain the N adsorption benefits.


On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 2:00 PM, David Murphy <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


    Greetings Biochar/Gasifier people !

    Everybody & his dog seems to have something
    to say about
    charcoal/biochar/biochar-compost mix and so
    on.Well, here's another dog to bark his piece !

    Biochar is often seen as the great
    agricultural panacea, but _it is
    not_.Biochar is a name given to plain
    ordinary charcoal to indicate that it is
    destined for use in soil improvement, but
    basically it is still plain ordinary
    charcoal, just crushed into smaller
    particles. In some circumstances it is a
    very beneficial tool but it is not magical
    as some proponents seem to think. Just
    remember, all charcoal has a bio-origin - wood.

    In some Ag. trials in Australiait
    significantly improved crop volume (treble
    in one case) but in other instances, nothing
    worth writing home about.It depends on what
    the soil is like to start with.

    Charcoal is stable.That means it does not
    take part in any composting system (which is
    one primarily of bacterial digestion) and it
    is indigestible so that when offered as a
    dietary supplement (in poultry food for
    example) it passes through the digestive
    system physically unchanged but will adsorb
    a high proportion of the gases and some
    toxins produced in the process of digestion,
    because that is what charcoal does. For this
    reason, it's adsorption capability, poultry
    will generally do better on a little charcoal.

    Quite a few pages could be filled on the
    beneficial services provided by charcoal as
    it travels through the digestive system, but
    it does it as charcoal only and as nothing
    else.   By all means use a little in the
    feed, you can only benefit.

    The only physical way to change the nature
    of charcoal is to burn it.    That is why it
    lasts in soil (or wherever it is) for
    thousands of years.

    It has an incredibly high surface area of
    360 m^2 (varies) and is a mass of minute
    tunnels which in turn means a very high
    volume and gases become trapped in these
    tunnels.It does not _ab_sorb, it _ad_sorbs
    and traps only.The difference between absorb
    and adsorb is the same as the difference in
    liquids of suspension and solution.Clay
    particles will be in suspension, sugar and
    salt go into solution.

    Charcoal is useful in an aerobic composting
    system because again of the entrapment of
    air in the tunnels.A composting system goes
    well if there is enough oxygen bearing air
    available to the bacteria which are a
    significant part of the system.The more air,
    the higher the population of bacteria (other
    factors being OK). The charcoal itself is
    inoperative, and doesn't change, nor is it a
    catalyst, it simply provides a service. It
    will only provide a haven for soil
    benevolent bacteria if there is something
    trapped in the tunnels which the bacteria
    can eat.

    Charcoal is a good adsorber of gas and
    liquid simply because that is what it
    does.Zeolite on the other hand, can have an
    even higher surface are per gram and has a
    propensity to entrap gases, most
    particularly nitrogen in it's various forms
    -- as gas -- ammonium for example -- and in
    liquids as a salt of NO_3 .It actually draws
    them in (like a magnet attracts ferric
    objects) where charcoal just takes it as it
    comes.    It is easy to see also why
    charcoal is so effective as a filter, but if
    you have a solution rich in nitrogen, run it
    through Zeolite and the N will be removed.
    Add some to the litter in poultry grower
    sheds, there will be fewer mortalities
    because the ammonia which sometimes will
    asphixiate small birds will be absorbed.
    Zeolite will take N out of solution,
    charcoal will not.    There's 40 natural
    forms of Zeolite and more than another 150
    can be synthesised, so choose carefully for
the one most appropriate to your problem. Zeolite can perform an amazing range of
    actions.    Once used and applied as
    fertiliser, Zeolite subsequently will
    release the N slowly and remain in the soil
    as a balancer of N.  Too much, it will take
    it in (so that the soil pH is not lowered)
    and release it as required.

    Charcoal's great stuff though, it's easy to
    make and holds answers to a lot of problems
    - but not all !

    David Murphy.

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