You're right, as usual, Jay. Please send me the syllabus, Keith. I had no idea. A. Leon Polhill, Gator "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain
________________________________ From: Jay Cicone <jay.cic...@raymondjames.com> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 10:00:06 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I feel like I need to weigh in on this in a large and cumbersome fashion. Right now, I’m going over my second draft and plan to have my final 500 word response published by 4PM. I look forward to a lengthy discourse featuring Leon, Keith and Randy. Others feel free to jump in as well. This topic needs to be explored fully. No stone shall remain unturned. Fascinating, Captain. Where are your nuclear wessels? Any of you labor law types or expert witnesses should jump in NOW. This not only threatens the fabric of America and all we hold dear, but also prophecies the apocalypse. It’s about to brake the system. I could go on and on, but in fairness, I’ll let others here spout their ridiculous uninformed garbage and then jump in and clean up the mess. Are you with me?? I’ll call you at home tonight, Randy. From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gatornet Admin Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:25 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end While that IS a valid test, Leon, I have found after being the Admin for nine years that I need to moderate with a loose leash. I will normally wait a couple of days to see if a thread is going to become long and involved before I jerk the leash. Typically, the post that you referred to below will not even garner any responses and it will die a natural death without Admin intervention. Randy From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Polhill Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:09 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I think the test is: IS THIS GATOR-RELATED? Right Randy One? I don't think folks who register for Gatortalk are interested in becoming a licensed contractor. Maybe I'm wrong. A. Leon Polhill, Gator "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain ________________________________ From:"ke...@baldwinnc.com" <ke...@baldwinnc.com> To: gatortalk googlegroups <Gatortalk@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 7:39:38 AM Subject: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I assume that we can discuss this on GatorTalk and not have to move to THFGT .... I play this temporary contractor game and have a lot of experience with it. The lines have blurred between hiring consultants and temporary contractors. I've done consulting/contracting for over 20 years now. I guess the difference is whether they listen or not :-) I receive the bulk of my leads by scanning through Craigslist. My second and third source of leads are VirtualVocations..com and Dice.com My goal is to go 100% virtual and get a place on Lake Santa Fe. I wouldn't be too far from Jacksonville airport when I needed to travel. Wouldn't be too far from Gville for special events. Anyways .... regarding difference in pay - contractors have to pay ALL their own taxes, health insurance, get no holidays, vacations, sick days, and other benefits. As a "permanent employee" (some people think there is such a thing - whereas I've seen tens of millions of "permanent employees" laid off in the last 10 years) you are suppose to get health care, other benefits, vacation, sick days, and the employer pays half of your medicare and social security taxes. I have been told on jobs around $50 per hour - the differential is about $8 per hour. In other words, a permanent job paying around $50 per hour is equivalent in pay to a contracting job paying around $58 per hour. A lot of employers like hiring temp to perm people because they can "try" employees before they "buy" them. See if they can show up for work on time, everyday. How much baggage and drama do they have. Can they get along with coworkers. Can they work independently and part of a team, blah, blah, blah. These "researchers" at UF should have contacted staffingfirms to get all this information. The problem is - if more people knew how to work as independent contractors, how the taxes, self 401K and other expense deductions worked - I think that more people would prefer working this way.. 1. I don't know where people can get "permanent", private sector jobs anymore 2. I no longer believe in a concept of a "permanent" job. -------- Original Message -------- >Subject: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead >end >From: Woody <gatorrr...@gmail.com> >Date: Tue, December 22, 2009 6:59 am >To: gatorn...@googlegroups.com > >UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end >South Florida Business Journal > > >In fact, a new University of Florida study finds that those hired by >temporary agencies actually earn higher hourly wages and are better >educated than permanent employees. > >“There has been concern by some advocacy groups that the temporary >help industry is creating an entire class of people who are churning >through temporary-help jobs and can’t escape from that cycle,” said >Sarah Hamersma, a UF economist and lead author, in a news release. “We >find no reason to believe that a large number of temp workers are >‘stuck’ in a secondary labor market.” > >Hamersma and Carolyn Heinrich, a University of Wisconsin public >affairs professor, studied occupational records, wages and earnings >for 5,877 Wisconsin workers between 1995 and 2004. > >Of the 3,964 employees who held at least one temporary job, 3,947 held >a permanent job at some time in those 10 years, the study found. >Further analysis found that, of those who changed jobs over a >four-month period, more than three-fourths of those in temporary >positions moved into traditional jobs, while only 23 percent took >another temporary job. > >The study also found temporary workers received about 15 percent more >pay than those in traditional positions. The study suggests they are >paid more because job conditions are less desirable. > >“Paying temp workers more is consistent with having to handle the >insecurity and other characteristics that are inferior to a regular >job,” Hamersma said in the news release. > >One of the biggest drawbacks of temporary work is its short duration, >which makes it difficult for employees to build a foundation of >experience necessary for job security, Hamersma said. > >More than half of all temporary jobs in the sample – 56 percent – >lasted no more than three months, and an additional 25 percent lasted >no more than six months, she said. > >“While I was surprised at how short those jobs were, what was even >more surprising is that 45 percent of non-temporary jobs lasted less >than three months,” she said. “Unfortunately, we don’t know why – >whether workers quit or were fired, got sick or had child care >issues.” > >-- >GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >2008 National Football Champions | >Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), >Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us-- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
