But, do you do couponing? A. Leon Polhill, Gator "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain
________________________________ From: Gatornet Admin <gator...@comcast.net> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 10:30:57 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I thought it was good information, Keith. While I am fortunate to have been called back to work, there are still a great number of us that are not. I actually considered going the contractor route, but I’m one of those people who prefer the “security” (yes, I realize there is NO job security any longer) of a regular job. Randy From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ke...@baldwinnc.com Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:17 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end In the offseason - we have had discussions about the bad economy, jobs, etc. I'm just trying to help out my fellow gatortalkers. If you would like for that to continue - then great. If not - then that is fine also. -------- Original Message -------- >Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: >Temp jobs not a dead end >From: "Gatornet Admin" <gator...@comcast.net> >Date: Tue, December 22, 2009 10:09 am >To: <gatortalk@googlegroups.com> >Consider YOUR leash jerked! J > >Randy > >From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >Of Jay Cicone >Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:00 AM >To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com >Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs >not a dead end > >I feel like I need to weigh in on this in a large and cumbersome fashion. >Right now, I’m going over my second draft and plan to have my final 500 word >response published by 4PM. I look forward to a lengthy discourse featuring >Leon, Keith and Randy. Others feel free to jump in as well. This topic needs >to be explored fully. No stone shall remain unturned. Fascinating, Captain. >Where are your nuclear wessels? Any of you labor law types or expert witnesses >should jump in NOW. This not only threatens the fabric of America and all we >hold dear, but also prophecies the apocalypse. It’s about to brake the system. >I could go on and on, but in fairness, I’ll let others here spout their >ridiculous uninformed garbage and then jump in and clean up the mess. Are you >with me?? I’ll call you at home tonight, Randy. > >From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >Of Gatornet Admin >Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:25 AM >To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com >Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs >not a dead end > >While that IS a valid test, Leon, I have found after being the Admin for nine >years that I need to moderate with a loose leash. I will normally wait a >couple of days to see if a thread is going to become long and involved before >I jerk the leash. > >Typically, the post that you referred to below will not even garner any >responses and it will die a natural death without Admin intervention. > >Randy > >From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >Of Arthur Polhill >Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:09 AM >To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com >Subject: Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs >not a dead end > >I think the test is: IS THIS GATOR-RELATED? Right Randy One? I don't think >folks who register for Gatortalk are interested in becoming a licensed >contractor. > >Maybe I'm wrong. > >A. Leon Polhill, Gator >"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. >I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain > > > ________________________________ >From:"ke...@baldwinnc.com" <ke...@baldwinnc.com> >To: gatortalk googlegroups <Gatortalk@googlegroups.com> >Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 7:39:38 AM >Subject: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not >a dead end >I assume that we can discuss this on GatorTalk and not have to move to THFGT >.... > >I play this temporary contractor game and have a lot of experience with it. > >The lines have blurred between hiring consultants and temporary contractors. >I've done consulting/contracting for over 20 years now. I guess the >difference is whether they listen or not :-) > >I receive the bulk of my leads by scanning through Craigslist. My second and >third source of leads are VirtualVocations...com and Dice.com > >My goal is to go 100% virtual and get a place on Lake Santa Fe. I wouldn't be >too far from Jacksonville airport when I needed to travel. Wouldn't be too >far from Gville for special events. > >Anyways .... regarding difference in pay - contractors have to pay ALL their >own taxes, health insurance, get no holidays, vacations, sick days, and other >benefits. > >As a "permanent employee" (some people think there is such a thing - whereas >I've seen tens of millions of "permanent employees" laid off in the last 10 >years) you are suppose to get health care, other benefits, vacation, sick >days, and the employer pays half of your medicare and social security taxes. > >I have been told on jobs around $50 per hour - the differential is about $8 >per hour. In other words, a permanent job paying around $50 per hour is >equivalent in pay to a contracting job paying around $58 per hour. > >A lot of employers like hiring temp to perm people because they can "try" >employees before they "buy" them.. > >See if they can show up for work on time, everyday. How much baggage and >drama do they have. Can they get along with coworkers. Can they work >independently and part of a team, blah, blah, blah. > >These "researchers" at UF should have contacted staffingfirms to get all this >information. > >The problem is - if more people knew how to work as independent contractors, >how the taxes, self 401K and other expense deductions worked - I think that >more people would prefer working this way. > >1. I don't know where people can get "permanent", private sector jobs anymore > >2. I no longer believe in a concept of a "permanent" job. > > >-------- Original Message -------- >>Subject: [gatornews] BizJournals..com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead >>end >>From: Woody <gatorrr...@gmail.com> >>Date: Tue, December 22, 2009 6:59 am >>To: gatorn...@googlegroups.com >> >>UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end >>South Florida Business Journal >> >> >>In fact, a new University of Florida study finds that those hired by >>temporary agencies actually earn higher hourly wages and are better >>educated than permanent employees. >> >>“There has been concern by some advocacy groups that the temporary >>help industry is creating an entire class of people who are churning >>through temporary-help jobs and can’t escape from that cycle,” said >>Sarah Hamersma, a UF economist and lead author, in a news release. “We >>find no reason to believe that a large number of temp workers are >>‘stuck’ in a secondary labor market.” >> >>Hamersma and Carolyn Heinrich, a University of Wisconsin public >>affairs professor, studied occupational records, wages and earnings >>for 5,877 Wisconsin workers between 1995 and 2004. >> >>Of the 3,964 employees who held at least one temporary job, 3,947 held >>a permanent job at some time in those 10 years, the study found. >>Further analysis found that, of those who changed jobs over a >>four-month period, more than three-fourths of those in temporary >>positions moved into traditional jobs, while only 23 percent took >>another temporary job. >> >>The study also found temporary workers received about 15 percent more >>pay than those in traditional positions. The study suggests they are >>paid more because job conditions are less desirable. >> >>“Paying temp workers more is consistent with having to handle the >>insecurity and other characteristics that are inferior to a regular >>job,” Hamersma said in the news release. >> >>One of the biggest drawbacks of temporary work is its short duration, >>which makes it difficult for employees to build a foundation of >>experience necessary for job security, Hamersma said. >> >>More than half of all temporary jobs in the sample – 56 percent – >>lasted no more than three months, and an additional 25 percent lasted >>no more than six months, she said. >> >>“While I was surprised at how short those jobs were, what was even >>more surprising is that 45 percent of non-temporary jobs lasted less >>than three months,” she said. “Unfortunately, we don’t know why – >>whether workers quit or were fired, got sick or had child care >>issues.” >> >>-- >>GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >>1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >>2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >>2008 National Football Champions | >>Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), >>Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us >-- >GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >2008 National Football Champions | >Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), >Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us >-- >GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >2008 National Football Champions | >Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), >Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us >-- >GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >2008 National Football Champions | >Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), >Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us >-- >GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >2008 National Football Champions | >Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), >Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us >-- >GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >2008 National Football Champions | >Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), >Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us-- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
