That's just my point. You say Vandy is on par with Duke. Duke regularly wins the ACC in basketball. And, they have several NCs, not only in basketball, but in several other sports. Vandy, on the other hand has rarely won the SEastern Conf in anything. NCs? One in their entire history. In what, you ask? Women's bowling. Why? It isn't because of higher standards. Ok, Vandy gives us hell once every 10 years or so. That's only we go into the game complacent in another automatic victory. No, they shouldn't be in the Southeastern Conf. They should be in the Colonial or somewhere they could be more competetive with others who don't care about sports except how they could fund other programs.
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Subject: RE: [gatortalk] Fw: [gatornews] [SUN]: 7/27 13:36 ---
"DOOLEY's DESK" --- the Vandy solution [Dooley]
It as difficult for the average student, not for the student athlete. While
Florida may be more stringent on athletes than others, we are no where near
as stringent as Vandy, Duke or Stanford, none of which have won a NC in the
modern age of football.
I think the argument to get rid of Vandy is spurious at best. They compete
very well against us in football, never win but always make it interesting.
And they are competitive in basketball, baseball and the non-revenue sports.
The more interesting comparison would be to look at Vandy and it's place in
the SEC vs the bottom dwellers of other conferences. If you put Vandy in a
conference with Washington State, Minnesota, Iowa State, Baylor, Duke,
Syracuse, Kansas, Baylor, Indiana, Arizona State and Marykand, where do you
think they would rank? My bet would be near the top every year.
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--- the Vandy solution [Dooley]
You know, it's really as tough or tougher to get into UF as Vandy.
Vanderbilt's Medical school might be a little more difficult than Florida's.
Of course, here in Nash Vegas that's their excuse EVERY time they get the
hell beat out of them.
Even if you assume Vandy is tougher than UF, consider North Carolina, Notre
Dame, Stanford and Duke. All have high standards and all have multiple Nat'l
Championships. Difference? As Dooley says, they care about sports, Vandy
doesn't. Let's dump 'em!
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Subject: [gatornews] [SUN]: 7/27 13:36 --- "DOOLEY's DESK" --- the Vandy
solution [Dooley]
<http://dooley.blogs.gatorsports.com/>
July 27th, 2010 01:36pm
<http://dooley.blogs.gatorsports.com/10688/the-vandy-solution/> the Vandy
solution
by <http://dooley.blogs.gatorsports.com/author/dooley/> Pat Dooley
(Gainesville SUN)
Two of the biggest names in southern journalism this week have made a
statement I made back in 1998. Both Mike Bianchi of the Orlando Sentinel and
Paul Finebaum of the Finebaum Network have written than it's time for
Vanderbilt to be kicked out of the SEC.
Back in '98 as Florida was blowing out the Commodores, I sat on the 50-yard
line at Dudley Field in Nashville and wrote a similar column. Not in the
press box but in the stands. There was nobody within 15 yards of me.
But I also understand that when we write these kinds of columns it validates
the opinions that people outside the South have, that we're pulling up our
jean-shorts by our rope belts and saying, "We don't need any of that book
learnin' in this conference."
Vandy adds a lot to the league in several sports. You also have to realize
that for athletic directors in this league, Vandy is a lot better than
Arkansas. Nashville is not only a lot easier to get to, it's a lot more fun
when you get there.
However, Vanderbilt doesn't feel like an SEC school, has rotten facilities
and never seems to take football seriously.
I'm not pushing for their ouster. Instead, I asking the other 11 schools in
the league to demand more of Vandy. They should tell the Commodores
heirarchy that its next coach has to make a minimum of 2 million a year.
Make Vanderbilt hire someone who players will want to play for. And force
the Conmmodores to put some of that money that Alabama and Florida earn for
them into their facility.
Vandy isn't that much harder than Florida or Georgia to get into to. That's
not the problem. The problem is nobody wants to go there. If Vandy is going
to remain a viable member of this league, it has to spend some money to make
it seem like an SEC team instead of the Kansas City Royals.
Otherwise, boot 'em.
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3 Comments
1. July 27th, 2010 4:53 pm
<http://dooley.blogs.gatorsports.com/10688/the-vandy-solution/#comment-2229>
Dude, unless you are talking about student athletes you are wrong about the
entrance requirements for Vandy vs. Florida. Vanderbilt is much more
difficult to get into. Your statement is akin to saying that Yale is not
much more difficult to get accepted to than Vanderbilt. BTW, I'm a gator
grad, so I don't have an axe to grind.
by Crusher
2. July 27th, 2010 5:31 pm
<http://dooley.blogs.gatorsports.com/10688/the-vandy-solution/#comment-2230>
My daughter was provisionally accepted to both Harvard and UF. The academic
standards weren't that far apart. The point is not that the SEC doesn't have
some -ahem-less rigorous academies of higher learning, but that if Florida
and Georgia can compete athletically AND academically, then what exactly is
Vandy's excuse? By the way, I seriously doubt Yale has much higher academic
standards than Vandy or UF. It's real hard to get into because of the number
of applicants.
by John
3. July 27th, 2010 5:47 pm
<http://dooley.blogs.gatorsports.com/10688/the-vandy-solution/#comment-2231>
Dooley, you need to learn the lesson of the Totem Pole. One head is stacked
upon another. Take out the bottom and it only makes a new bottom with a
shorter pole. Do that enough and you no longer have a pole. Vandy is on that
bottom in FB, by and large, but isn't in other sports. Roundball sports they
do pretty well with. Baseball and Basketball in the SEC can find them pretty
competitive.
Besides, you're missing a GREAT Point. When they are generally known as the
bottom of the SEC in football, isn't it Incredibly fun and entertaining when
they beat a Tennessee team? Wasn't that fun? Bet you got some mileage out of
that one, as all us Gators did. FWIW - moments like that can only be paid
for over decades of suckitude. Do you really want to lose moments like that?
:)
by TxGat
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