I don't know why anyone should be surprised about the last 2 games, look at programs similar to UF that have undergone a coaching change and radical shift of the style of play.
Nick Sabin lost to Louisiana Monroe his first year at Bama, went undefeated the next year until the SEC title game, won the NC the 3rd year. Bob Stoops - was very average his first year, 7-5, 6-6 type of team, won the NC his 2nd year. Urban Meyer - got clobbered by Bama and LSU his first year, won the NC the 2nd. I'm not saying or predicting a NC next year, but Muschamp has to install his system, get a few of his own players, weed out any undesirables and establish his imprint on the program, that doesn't happen in 10 months, simply based on history of other coaches who were established, much less their first job. It will help that the other 2 major programs in Florida are also down right now, Miami is likely headed for NCAA troubles, which will keep them down for awhile. FSU fans have resorted to calling Jimbo Fisher - Jimbo Zook. IMO FSU has internal problems, I've been told that Fisher has more control of the Athletic Dept than the AD, he basically is calling all the shots with respect to budgeting, fund raising, etc..your basic dictator. We have talent at UF, but not the overall talent that Bama and LSU have, one thing that shows up by playing Bama and LSU is they expose all your weaknesses, especially with a true freshman at QB. With all changes there is a transition, the worst thing than can happen now is to start trying place blame or question coaches, let it play out, in year 3 if we are losing to bad teams like Zook's 3rd year then we make changes, but until then, let's relax and see what happens. Stephen Manuel From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 2:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [gatortalk] What do we think now? I think the biggest problem is lack of depth and lack of experience... of like 70+ players... 60+ are Freshmen and Sophmores... thats.. alot. Its not that Bama and LSU are necessarily better... they just have more experience and more bodies to put in. Thats gonna take Must-Chomp a few years to build. On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Kirkley.net <[email protected]> wrote: And Marcus Gilbert and a couple others I can't think of right now. As for WRs, we have David Nelson starting for the Bills, Riley Cooper with Oakland, Hernandez (a TE) at New England, etc. We had the athletes that would work in any system. OL in the pros pull all the time, that isn't the issue. The question is are the guys left just not that good, or are the coaches not putting them in a favorable situation? If you look at the Florida players in the NFL over the last 4 years, you will find playing in the spread translates very well. Of course, this brings up the question about the D... Ken K MNGator On Oct 10, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Woody <[email protected]> wrote: I would think the same would be true for WR's. Who would want to block in a spread offense, when you can learn how to run passing routes and prepare yourself for the NFL in a more traditional offense? >> Agree... except I will say this.... then the Pounceys must have been very very special one of a kind type players. Just sayin. On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Shane Ford <[email protected]> wrote: I believe Danielson made that remark. I've always heard playing on an offensive line in a spread attack is MUCH different with all the pulling and different blocking schemes one must do vs playing in a NFL scheme. I would think there were NFL quality O-Linemen we would have missed out on getting, as they would have skipped us for schools running a more traditional offense. I would think the same would be true for WR's. Who would want to block in a spread offense, when you can learn how to run passing routes and prepare yourself for the NFL in a more traditional offense? I don't know the answers to these, but it seems every one is questioning the talent Meyer left UF with. I was floored after reading Bianchi's latest column. I'm a fan, not a "football" guy. All I can say is: In ALL kinds of weather..... Go Gators! Sent From Shane's iPhone Go Gators! & Skol Vikes! On Oct 10, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Woody <[email protected]> wrote: Running backs... definitely. O-lineman... cant really say its 'hurt us".. because.. and I forget which announcer said it... the kind that we were recruiting before just dont fit the power running game style that Muschamp is trying to build... they simply are not big enough. its gonna take time.. Marotti has got alot of work cut out for him because he's gotta change bodies to fit what they want to do on offense now. Trey burton gained what... 30 lbs in the offseason to prepare? And he still may not be big enough. Woody On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Shane Ford <[email protected]> wrote: How much has the spread offense killed us in recruiting O-Lineman, WR's, and RB's? Sent From Shane's iPhone Go Gators! & Skol Vikes! On Oct 10, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Woody <[email protected]> wrote: I understand.. and I think its safe to say alot of us feel the same way. I dont want to put all the blame on Meyer.. but when he took his little leave of absence... that killed us in alot of ways. Regardless of what the rankings say... we havent done all that well in recruiting enough bodies to fill needs and build depth. I mean... look at Clemson.. SOMEHOW.. they always manage to steal running backs out of Florida... how they are able to accomplish that is still mindblowing to me. Woody On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Kirkley.net <http://kirkley.net/> <[email protected]> wrote: Don't get me wrong, at the beginning of the year, I looked at these two games as likely losses. I'm not upset that we lost, but rather the fact we weren't competitive. And as for recruiting, i know stars mean squat. My point is, we were recruiting the same guys as everyone else. Did we just happen to whiff on all the really good 4 and 5 star players? And in return we got a bunch of over-rated slugs? I don't follow recruiting all that close, but I do know that UF commits tend to be dropped in recruiting rankings, so you would think we would have more 'diamonds in the rough' than other teams. I also know that we have had a larger than normal attrition (will provide analysis later), and that has left us short on upperclassmen for leadership and short on scholarship players for depth (we have fewer scholarship players than USCw who is on probation). I don't mind the losses, and I understand the injuries, all part of the game. It is just very disappointing to me that we are 3 years removed from a national title and we have to rebuild. Ken K MNGator On Oct 10, 2011, at 10:16 AM, Woody <[email protected]> wrote: After two blowout losses, what is your perception of the program now? >> Exactly about where I thought it would be. I asked a co-worker (and Gator) what he thought the score would be on Friday.. and I think he said something like 14 pts... and my response to him was "you think they'll score a TD?". This is a young team... we have no depth/experience. None of this is much of a surprise to me really. My thoughts are a combination, but I put most of the blame on the coaches. UF has had top ten ranked recruiting classes the past five years, and the players we got were also considering the other good programs. >> Your (as do most other college football fans) putting way too much weight on the recruiting rankings/stars... even Urban has said they havent proven anything yet after his #1 recruiting classes. Fine... your supposed to be good.. maybe the best. Prove it. Its going to take time... I prepared myself for this very very early in the season. It makes my heart hurt everytime they lose especially so the way they last these last two games. Chris Leak had SOME playing time and arguably had a better/deeper O-line going in to face LSU than what Brissett had. I didnt see but the last 45 seconds of the game... but you cant blame/point fingers at him. No one expects the #1 and #2 QB to be knocked out of the same game. Thats an abberation. As for the defense... so far.. we are still ranked 4th in Defense in the SEC (they said on the radio today)... It all kinds of weather my friends... we're gonna have to be patient... and stand behind them regardless. Woody On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Kirkley.net <http://kirkley.net/> <[email protected]> wrote: After two blowout losses, what is your perception of the program now? Is this simply growing pains or is the coaching not getting the job done? Can it really be that we are that far behind LSU and Bama in skill and player potential? My thoughts are a combination, but I put most of the blame on the coaches. UF has had top ten ranked recruiting classes the past five years, and the players we got were also considering the other good programs. Or were the recruiting rankings really a mirage? While the 2010 class was good and many of those players are starting or significantly contributing as sophomores, the 2007-2009 classes look somewhat suspect in hindsight. I understand that the players were recruited for the spread, but really, we wouldn't have been close to these two teams running the spread either. Isn't it the coaches job to modify the system to fit the personnel? Great we want to run the pro set I, but can't, so maybe we need to run a hybrid pro set spread. And don't get me started on strength, we don't even begin to match up. My biggest concerns coming out of these two games regarding coaching are: - bad play calling. Yes I know Weis is a genius, but I think he outsmarts himself sometimes. Last night, reverting to the spread, run Burton twice and then put the true freshman in to throw on 3rd and 13! Was he channeling the dazzler? Overall, I believe he is coaching like he is in the NFL. Coach for field position, play conservatively and and wait for the other team to make mistakes. Works in the no fun league due to parity, but not in college where there are too many mismatches week to week. You have to be aggressive and keep the other team on it's heels. - lack of fundamentals, particularly on defense. Coach Dawg is defensive genius, but we can't seem to get lined up right, have too many penalties and for goodness sake can't tackle. Big hits are fun, but if the guy with the balk doesn't go down, they are useless. - composure. From CD and his rants to the seemingly emotionless play on the field, we can't seem to find a good mix. CD needs to tone down a bit (although two beat downs made him nit so demonstrative yesterday), the players need to amp it up a notch or two. Once again, I think part of this is the NFL influence. Our mantra of nameless faceless opponents and go out there with a professional, business like attitude. The college game is emotion based and thrives on rivalries, manage to that, don't shy away from it! I understand we have a lot of young players, but I also see older players who make plays hut don't get many opportunities like Gillisle. If we don't start playing and coaching better, this will be a very long season. I felt coming in 8-4 was the baseline, and we can still reasonably do hat or better, but the way we are losing hurts. Not being competitive sucks, I can handle a 14 point loss, being down 14 in the first 8 minutes doesn't make for a fun day. 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