Dear Sumeet, Couldn't help but quote you here "We all have right to live our life, the way we want." I hope your wife is enjoying this right.
Regards, --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Sumeet, > > I think you need to really go deeper in search of the meaning > of 'gay' > > Neil > > --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, Sumeet Mehra <sumeet_lovs_u@> > wrote: > > > > Hi Angel! > > > > Angel I think some where these guys are not understanding the > meaning of marriage. > > They think marriage means officially being allowed to do sex and > live together. But marriage has much more meaning then this. Its > about giving another generation to the world. Having your family and > bringing up your child/childern. Thats your social responsibilty. It > not about just giving birth but to make them good human beings. > Certainly guy with guy or girl with girl can not do so. This is the > law of nature, which no one can change. > > > > Why a gay can not love a female? Why can not gay marry a woman? > To love a female and to marry her, is a sin? We never love any one > according to their gender. Else it would be like gays would love any > guy. But thats not so. We love someone because we find him/her the > best and lovable. > > > > Here the meaning of love has changed. You are a gay so you > should love only guys, whether straight, bi or gay. Again marriage > is treated very differently. Some say you should tell you wife that > you are gay. But what if she is not able to face the truth? > > All truth need not be told to everyone or anyone. There is > certainly no intention to cheat her. Many a times it does happen > that we dont open up. Does that mean we are trying to cheat? We are > enough caring not to hurt her. Who can't digest the truth need not > be told. > > > > My parent knew that I was liking guys. But never they told me. > They always showed their worry, when I use to refuse to marry. They > bought many proposals, but I refused. I could see misery in their > eyes. Like others I too thought, marrying a girl would be cheating > her. But my best friend who happens to be straight told me "Do your > deeds", do what as son you are suppose to do. I asked him then what > about being a husband? He said those who for their sake of parents, > sacrifice their life and happiness, are never left alone by GOD. For > parents are before God. If you know that by you marrying a girl, > they will be happy, marry. And as a son I have fulfilled my duty, > now being husband I am trying. > > And this is what religion teaches us. "Karm kar phal ki chinta > mat kar." > > So you need to first know your karm and your dharam(duty). You > don't worry about the Phal part. I am much happy to see them happy. > This is what I call family. I would have been deprived from seeing > my parents happy, if I would have refused to marry. And yes I do > believe that God is with me. I am not alone. > > > > We all are different, as our life is also different. So we all > think differently. Hence I do not agree or disagree with any one's > opinion here. We all have right to live our life, the way we want. > Either we live our way or the way that our loved one's expect. But > how we live it, that makes the difference. > > > > One more thing to add here. There is some one who asked me "Am I > a part time or full time Gay? As he told that he is a full time gay, > I am very sorry. I never knew that there were guys who had gay in > their mind all round the clock. I thought that like me everyone is > dedicated to their work and other responsibilties, when they are > into it. I dint know that even during work time there would be gay > in his mind. Then I certainly need to apologize, to hurt him for his > 24hrs gay feeling in his heart/mind/soul, where it resides. I was > thinking that gays are more dedicated to their work and I have come > across such guys only. Never had came across guys like him. He have > changed the gay meaning that I carried with me. I think he might be > professionally also involved. > > Good going, then its matter of his bread and butter also. Hence > no comments on him. > > > > Regards, > > Sumeet. > > > > > > > > Android Angel <hairyandroid@> wrote: > > I think salil you are diverting from role clarity specified by > Sumeet. Marriage is another activity holded for lifetime as per > indian culture. But other aspect of being together is not just > cultural binding, but one may like to have one's own female partner > & child. What should one can do best possible in current framework > of indian society. because does not mean just sex n stay together > but making two ends meet for day to day needs by all means in kind > of environment we have grown up. We expect female response on > particular situation what's then? If one would have grown up in only > gay world right from birth, then the feelings , understandings n > expectations would be altogether different. This I can call blended > in prevailing surrounding to have homosexual feeling. You can't just > cut urself from rest of female world for the heck of it. You > definitely enjoy interaction with woman at some junction of routine > activities. > > > > What I mean to say is nothing is guilty untill unless u feel it > and do it intentionally. If you define it as sin then you should not > just count it by it's weight. Then u have to treat everything > committed like that as sin even though it does surface anywhere. > That's the reason being 100% is nowhere in the world except > mathematics. I am not convincing but stating live life as u wish, > but then stand for anything come in ur way as well. Don't run away n > give up, that is what is sin. For every aspect life u need to apply > this one n not just homosexuality. > > > > Angel > > > > Salil <salilmumbai@> wrote: > > > > Sumeet, > > > > I would like to not run away from "social and family > responsibility". The problem is your definition of social and family > responsibility is heterosexual marriage by all men including those > who are exclusively homosexual. This is something that heterosexual > people told you, and you do not consider disagreeing with it. Other > people on this list, including me, define social and family > responsibility as mutually respectful and caring relationships with > parents and gay/straight spouses in particular and other members of > society in general. > > > > I am gay. Therefore I would like to get married to my boyfriend > and not to a girl. I would also like to adopt kids. My boyfriend > will allow me to be "24 hours gay", since he and I both know that I > do not become gay for "a while in a day". I am gay all 24 hours, > just as straight men are straight all 24 hours. My parents do not > know I am gay, but I have told them I shall not be marrying, and > they are quite okay with it. They understand it is my life and not > theirs. They wanted to marry, so they did. I do not want to, so I > will not. If they insist, I shall resist. I shall explain, not > capitulate. > > > > So tell me, what responsibility shall I be running away from by > being true to myself, my boyfriend, my parents and the world around > me ? Allow me to marry, and I shall marry today - but it will be a > guy, not a girl. > > > > Regards, > > Salil > > > > Sumeet Mehra <sumeet_lovs_u@> wrote: Hey Guys! > > > > Thanks Angel! > > > > Guys who agree or disagree with me, just go and watch broke back > moutain. > > In this movie there is gay couple who after departing from each > other get married to female. Both have kids. They both are living > very responsible lives, as a husband and even as a father. Then > after 4 years the guys happen to meet again. They again enter into > realation, without their woman knowing it. But one guy's female come > to know and after some years she breaks the relation. But the other > guy's female is not aware and so she is happy with his man. This is > no more just my view point but now even others agree. > > > > Look guys if you want to marry...go ahead. If you dont want to > then don't, but dont give lame excuse that you cant spoil any girls > life. You are by no means God that you can make any one's life good > or bad. Stop treating your self as God. > > > > Why stick on to just one identify as Gay when one is not gay for > all 24hrs? Like woman even man is a son, brother, father, husband, > so what if one more thing added gay. I think we can fulfill all > relations properly. I dont say one must ignore family. Yes family > comes first. But when you want to live for yourself for a while in a > day, which everyone does, do whatever you like. Thats where I think > we make a difference. So guys just by carrying a bit difference in > our preference of sex, why do we want to run away from our social as > well as family responsibilty. > > > > Cheers! > > Sumeet. > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket > > Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the > time. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket > > Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the > time. > > > > Group Site: > > > > http://www.gaybombay.info > > ========================== > > This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses > to messages (by clicking "Reply") will also be posted on the eGroup > and sent to all members. 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