Andreas, ffs can we have one thread where we don't talk about porn. Or if you do think porn is a part of the gendergap, pose research questions which will help test your hypothesis, because that is what this thread is about.
I want research questions I can put to real academics. Not bullshit hand-wavey assertions even if they are backed up by a 'citation'. On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote: > The screenshots below are from a blog post by a girl geek going onto 4chan > /b/. > > http://boards.4chan.org/b/ (probably NSFW) > > 4chan is the site that gave Wikipedia and the world its lolcats, as well as > the saying, "There are no girls on the Internet." As you'll no doubt see if > you navigate to the above address, it is also full of anonymously posted > girlie pictures, not unlike parts of Wikimedia. One of the board's > catchphrases is, "Tits or GTFO". Rather male-centric, right? > > The Wikipedia article on 4chan is a featured article. (Why am I not > surprised ...) > > The following screenshots are SFW: > > http://cultureandcommunication.org/f09/tdm/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Picture-81.png > http://cultureandcommunication.org/f09/tdm/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Picture-9.png > http://cultureandcommunication.org/f09/tdm/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Picture-10.png > http://cultureandcommunication.org/f09/tdm/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Picture-11.png > > The following is the dialogue they show: > > ---o0o--- > > /b/abes get no love! I hate you, /b/. Where are the female /b/tards? > > in the kitchen. > > stop making these shit threads ... girls on /b/ are anon, and stay anon. > > i lol'd go make me a fucking sandwich > > If girls on /b/ are non and stay anon, why is anon assumed to be male by > default? Can we just purge all the cam whores, plz? > > making me a god damn sammwich > > make my sandwich silently > > im a girl,im in florida > > Tits or GTFO. Pic related. > > Girls on the Internet don't fucking exist. > > girl, why do you have a pc in the kitchen? > > female /b/tard here, trolling threads and not making samiches > > Oh silly, there are no girls on the internet > > ---o0o--- > > Now, this dialogue illustrates how anonymous uncensored porn and sexist > behaviour towards a woman can go together, and reinforce each other. > > The blog post the screenshots are taken from is here: > > http://cultureandcommunication.org/f09/tdm/elisaverna/wait-did-4chan-just-enlighten-me-i-feel-dirty/ > > Andreas > > > On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Michael J. Lowrey <orangem...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > Please consider the likelihood that there may be a correlation between >>> > the >>> > let-it-all-hang-out attitude towards porn, and the problem you describe >>> > as >>> > "sexualized behavior – sexist comments and bad manners". >>> > >>> > The let-it-all-hang-out approach towards porn is likely >>> > >>> > – to attract people who engage in "sexualized behavior – sexist >>> > comments and >>> > bad manners", and >>> > – to repel the type of people who would be "allies within the community >>> > to >>> > shoot down behaviour like that (civility!)". >>> > >>> > A more responsible and mainstream approach, on the other hand, is apt >>> > to >>> > repel the first and attract the second type of contributor. >>> >>> {{citation needed}} >>> >>> Unquestioned premises almost inevitably lead to false conclusions. In >>> this case, the unquestioned premise is that those who oppose >>> censorship are people who engage in (or at least tolerate) sexist >>> comments and bad manners, as opposed to the possibility that those who >>> people oppose censorship believe in opposing censorship as a matter of >>> principle. You are unilaterally defining opponents of censorship as >>> irresponsible, out of the mainstream, and unwilling to support >>> civility: again I say, {{citation needed}}! >>> >>> (I won't bother to ask for an apology.) >> >> >> >> I'll work on a citation. But in my experience, the places that are most >> radically free speech, and most anti-censorship when it comes to porn, like >> parts of 4chan and reddit, are also places where the level of discourse goes >> way south. I don't think that is a particularly novel or contentious >> observation. >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
