Sarah, welcome to the discussion and thank you for the work that you are 
already doing. 

I'm very interested in hearing more about your organizations and your ideas.

I agree that we need to think big! 

The situation is ripe to form an international organization that brings 
together existing organizations and active Wikimedia editors in a coalition 
that coordinates a big campaign. 

The user group is an easy first step to gain affiliation with the WMF because 
it doesn't require formal legal registration. 
Once we get the ball rolling, a WMF affiliated thematic organization might 
better serve the needs the group. But for the initial organizing stage, the 
user group should work fine.

Regards,

Sydney Poore
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On Oct 21, 2013, at 2:41, Sarah Granger <sa...@sarahgranger.com> wrote:

> I've been largely lurking on this list due to lack of time to contribute to 
> the discussion and the fact I'm not really a very experienced Wikipedia 
> contributor, but the reason I joined this list is because I very much want to 
> help solve the Wikipedia gender gap problem. I think it's incredibly 
> important and that most people working in digital media have no clue how 
> significant this is. The focus of my work is how digital media affects our 
> lives and our world, and with more people online every day and Wikipedia as 
> the world's online encyclopedia, I think the gender imbalance can only affect 
> digital culture long-term in a negative way.
> 
> What I envision is a coalition of like-minded organizations working together 
> on a campaign to build awareness, educate people on the roots of the problem, 
> recruit & train new contributors. I work with a lot of digital media 
> campaigners for women's organizations, with women in tech organizations, and 
> with organizations supporting women in media - and digital media. I also have 
> connections at more traditional feminist organizations. I strongly believe 
> these organizations will help if they can first become aware themselves. Most 
> are just not thinking about how digital media and wikipedia affects gender 
> bias online and in general. But there are literally a few hundred online 
> activists / digital strategists at various organizations who I know would 
> care about this if they are just approached the right way to help.
> 
> So I encourage everyone here to think big and outside the box. I founded the 
> Center for Technology, Media & Society with the purpose of taking on issues 
> that have slipped under the radar of other organizations because they're 
> interdisciplinary. This is one of the core areas I want to work on. We don't 
> have c3 status yet, we haven't fundraised. I had to take a break to write a 
> book and just finished the writing part of the process, but I had a pilot 
> project set up with a list of worthy women who should have sites but don't, 
> and I signed up some women willing to try contributing, but we got stuck at 
> the training part because of time and general learning curve. Also, I didn't 
> want to reinvent the wheel on anything the Wikimedia Foundation was doing.
> 
> I really want to be a part of this conversation long-term because I think if 
> we do this right, we could make a huge difference. I have a background in 
> national digital campaigns, so my ideas come from that world. A few ideas I 
> had: launching an international wikipedia training week for women &/or having 
> a wikipedia editing week, a regular monthly wikiwomen day where we blast 
> social networks & engage women to add & edit pages, putting together some 
> clever online memes to build awareness, Tweetups, FB buttons, a blog 
> carnival, building a campaign specific website to explain the problem, 
> solutions, recruit participants, etc... especially reaching out to young 
> women in tech. I spoke at a conference of young women in computing in the 
> midwest yesterday and that kind of audience I think would be perfect for 
> recruiting new Wikipedia women contributors.
> 
> The one other reason I've been treading cautiously is because I believe that 
> anything done to improve Wikipedia's content should ideally be done with some 
> buy-in from the community, rather than criticizing it. I could see some 
> women's organizations getting really angry once they understand the problem, 
> and blaming men for sexism, when the problem, as all of us on this list know, 
> is much more complex and not an outright issue like that. I want to make sure 
> they are invited in as partners and that they are being constructive and 
> proactive. There are always ways to use humor to bridge the gap when working 
> on messaging around the issue, but we really need everyone on board.
> 
> I didn't mean to write this much... it's late where I am. I hope this 
> provides some helpful additional thoughts and ideas. I really want to help 
> with this. I think ideally it would be run from within the Wikimedia 
> organization, partnering with all the others I mentioned, so I think the user 
> group sounds like a good plan if that's the right operational entity (not 
> being fully versed in the Wikimedia org structure, I'm deferring to others 
> here), but if that can't be done, for whatever reason, I'd be happy to find 
> the an organization that would be a good fit for that role, or we could take 
> it on in our organization if we have enough support from others (since we're 
> scrappy with zero resources at the moment).
> 
> Please keep me in the loop and let me know how I can help best, but count me 
> in for whatever group, organization or coalition.
> 
> - Sarah Granger
> 
> 
> On Oct 20, 2013, at 11:48 PM, Cobi <c...@aippnet.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hey, 
>> this is the first time I've actually added anything to discussion on this 
>> list :)
>> 
>> I agree that trying to address the issue by hiring one or two activists 
>> taking on responsiblity for talking about it/acting on it wouldn't address 
>> what I consider to be the big problem of "environmental challenges" or 
>> systemic bias, as having people focused specifically on the issue can mean 
>> that people who don't care or inadvertently contribute to the problem can 
>> continue to dismiss it as a niche issue. In my experience I find it more 
>> effective to say, for example, that I think open access is really important 
>> and I will contribute to open access projects, but if people behave in ways 
>> that contribute to systemic bias, I will not contribute further as I prefer 
>> to focus my energies elsewhere. 
>> 
>> As research about women in engineering shows, benefits-focused recruitment 
>> drives won't work if women (or other underrepresented peoples in Wikipedia) 
>> get lost along a leaky pipeline, when after acquiring the technical skills 
>> to contribute, they come to feel that their contributions aren't valued and 
>> they are better off focusing energies elsewhere. I'm working in 
>> international development - part of that often involves disaggregating data 
>> to see which projects are involving people of diverse genders and ages and 
>> ethnicities for example, and which aren't, and refocusing funding to value 
>> groups that demonstrate the ability to be inclusive, or that specifically 
>> engage people who are often left out in genuine decision-making and 
>> empowerment - rather than pushing them to work for little return. Perhaps 
>> one strategy is to look at the composition of existing WMF-affiliated user 
>> groups, to see what gaps exist in what WMF is endorsing (and giving grants 
>> for. I think it would useful to have an activist involved in every single 
>> user group, contributing there and raising awareness of issues among other 
>> editors, but that's a burden on each of those activists to lead change in 
>> those groups. I wouldn't be comfortable joining a group just focused on this 
>> issue, for fear of harassment or people being more subtly difficult, knowing 
>> I'm focusing energies in this area that they might be opposed to - I'd be 
>> more comfortable being part of a project in which women editors contribute 
>> to other projects and that WMF works to ensure their contributions are 
>> valued and supported, recognizing that systemic bias means value and support 
>> is less likely to happen naturally within the system. 
>> 
>> Perhaps they're not mutually exclusive though. I'm sharing this hoping it 
>> helps to explain why some people, who are activists in this area, aren't 
>> necessarily active in the way proposed right now :)
>> 
>> Cheers, Cobi
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alixos
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 18, 2556 BE, at 6:29 AM, Sydney Poore wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi ,
>>> 
>>> Today I began the discussion about establishing a Wikimedia Foundation 
>>> affiliated user group around the topic of addressing the gender gap in 
>>> Wikimedia Foundation projects. I see this as being an international 
>>> organization where people from all over the world can work together on this 
>>> common cause. 
>>> 
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gender_gap_strategy_2013#Establishing_a_WMF-affiliated_user_group
>>> 
>>> The threshold for being recognized is pretty low., only 3 people, but I 
>>> would not want to go for affiliation with less than 10 interested people. 
>>> And I hope we can attract many many more.
>>> 
>>> I plan to discuss this in Berlin at the Diversity Conference but want to 
>>> make it clear that the organization is open to every one interested in 
>>> actively working on the topic. So please spread the word. 
>>> 
>>> I put a sign up space in the thread so we can capture the initial interest 
>>> that came out of this thread. 
>>> 
>>> One of the key discussion will be the name of the group. So everyone put 
>>> their thinking caps on so we can make this decision within the next month 
>>> of so.
>>> 
>>> Sydney Poore
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Nathan <nawr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Sydney <sydney.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Yes, with the narrowing focus last year the community will need to take 
>>>> > the
>>>> > lead. But from the meeting earlier this year it is clear that there
>>>> > definitely is talented people on staff at WMF who are more than willing 
>>>> > to
>>>> > assist as their time permits.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> That's unfortunate. I understood the narrowing focus to mean not
>>>> placing WMF offices and contractors around the world, or doing sort of
>>>> boots on the ground face to face outreach. Since usability initiatives
>>>> and some other programs are still ongoing, it seems like the gender
>>>> gap should've stayed on the table for direct involvement even if not
>>>> through the vehicle of the fellowship program. Too bad.
>>>> 
>>>> That said, there are chapters who receive hundreds of thousands of
>>>> dollars in funding from the FDC despite having objectively achieved
>>>> very little to date; certainly that means there is an opportunity
>>>> there for people with an interest in dedicating themselves full time
>>>> to this work to be compensated fairly through a funded WMF affiliate.
>>>> 
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