On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 03:39 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
Greg Stein wrote:On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:43:51AM -0800, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:...In a word: no
The power to dictate for themselves what the project should be doing and its direction. I believe the Jakarta PMC does not do a sufficient job of oversight (if any at all). Most of the PMC responsibilities has been devolved to the committers, but without the correct organizational structure in place as mandated by the ASF bylaws. Does the board (and, indirectly, membership) have any reports on what J-C is doing?
Sigh. I've pointed this out before, but perhaps this time you might want to write it down: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html
I also gave a verbal and written status of the overall project the last time it was requested.
However, if the case is to be made that umbrella projects are not good things (something that I completely understand and agree with), then I would suggest that the current discussions on having product groupings within commons (see subject of this message thread) should cease immediately.
The goal should be that one group = one project = one PMC.
I certainly grok the "umbrella bad" argument, although I don't agree with it.
However, if the ASF decides that "umbrella bad", then we've got lots of work to do. We'll have to break up XML, WebServices, Httpd and Jakarta. I think we'll have a mess, and snuff out the collaborative energy that those umbrella projects somehow sustain.
If we have problems, lets just fix those problems.
geir
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