On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:43:51AM -0800, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > >... > > The power to dictate for themselves what the project should be doing and > > its direction. I believe the Jakarta PMC does not do a sufficient job of > > oversight (if any at all). Most of the PMC responsibilities has been > > devolved to the committers, but without the correct organizational > > structure in place as mandated by the ASF bylaws. Does the board (and, > > indirectly, membership) have any reports on what J-C is doing? > > In a word: no Could someone please show the J-PMC the 'correct organizational structure'? One of the hardest problems on the J-PMC is explaining just what the point of the J-PMC is and what people are signing into when they agree to be on it. 'Oversight' is about as well defined as the 'ASF Way'. Greg does do a good job of pointing things out as they happen on the list, but there is much for us to learn about our role. Given this, if J-C were to move into A-C today as a whole, it seems we would still be sitting there learning and being frustrated at the parts that don't translate well to us. Maybe the J-PMC just need to invite some more of the ASF PMC experienced members onto the J-PMC as guests to show us the way. Hen
