On Monday, Sep 22, 2003, at 04:37 Europe/Rome, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Berin,
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?IncubatorMussings
Had a read. Great stuff :>.
At a quick glance, I see some things to change.
- there has not been stated a minimum community size to start - it has been explicitly stated that a project does NOT need to have its exit destination known at entry time.
Clearly a project will not leave the Incubator without meeting those criteria, but they are not required entry criteria.
What is the break up of responsibility between the Incubator PMC and the Sponsoring PMC in cases such as XMLBeans. In these cases, the Sponsoring PMC seems to take on much of the role that is discussed in the document.
In my view, the Sponsoring PMC *should* take an active role. But the
Incubator PMC is still responsible for making sure that all of criteria are
met before letting it into the ASF proper. Looking over the document, the
Sponsoring PMC would be in the role of Sponsor, and is invested in project
and Community building, whereas the Incubator PMC is still acting as the
gatekeeper, ensuring the legal protection of the ASF. Whatever tasks the
Sponsor overtakes to help shephard the project, which can reduce the
workload on the Incubator PMC, the Incubator PMC still has that final
responsibility.
I agree with the principle (otherwise we get back to complete PMC incubation independence and things blow up) but there are a few things worth asking:
1) how do people get on the incubation PMC? any committer? only members? members and officials? everybody committer that previously has a record of helping incubation? just curious of what feelings are.
2) isn't the incubation more an oversight group, a task force, then a project?
3) shouldn't the sponsor PMC provide periodical updates on the status to the incubator?
I know the above sounds utterly beaurocratic, but I can't think of anything simpler than this.
-- Stefano.
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