On 9/22/2003 1:27 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Okay, I think I see your point -- this is necessary for a sponsoring member who hasn't incubated a project before. So who's my Shepherd?
+1. I don't think that we need have multiple people fufill all these
roles. If the sponsor/shepherd/mentor is going to be a member of the
incubator PMC (see 1 above), then they ought to be trusted to follow the
incubator guidlines (once they exist). Do we really need this much
check and balance?
Seems so, but that's why in my mind I invest the "Sponsor" and "Mentor" role in the same person, and the "Shephard" is the check and balance, to use your term. How much a check and balance depends upon the Sponsor/Mentor. If that person is really doing a great job, the Shephard's job is easier. If the Sponsor/Mentor needs a bit of help, perhaps because of inexperience incubating projects, the Shephard needs to step in a bit more. Incubating the Sponsor/Mentor, if you will. But always providing oversight.
If a PMC is going to be a "Sponsor", they should cough up a Member to do that work. If a Member from that PMC isn't willing to step up, then they don't have a sponsor. That's what I'm doing for XMLBeans.That scales better. The Sponsor/Mentor is an interested party in the success of the project. The Shephard is an Incubator PMC member experienced in incubation issues. That separation also matches what I understand from Nicola Ken and others. Ken's comment about the Incubator PMC being composed of "a set of passionate asf people who are essentially in agreement about what makes something a genuine 'apache'-style project" still holds true. I agree with Ken's concern about a PMC being a "Sponsor", but I think I addressed that in earlier comments about a Member or Officer (e.g., the PMC Chair) being the Sponsor, and that one can delegate tasks, but not responsibility. My "tweak" doesn't accept the idea of an "absentee" Sponsor waiting for the podling to grow up.
Ted
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