+1 to Dan's opinion.
--steve
On Oct 1, 2006, at 11:36 AM, Dan Diephouse wrote:
Hi Jim,
Jim Jagielski wrote:
On Sep 30, 2006, at 11:51 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
On 28 Sep 06, at 12:59 PM 28 Sep 06, Garrett Rooney wrote:
Well, PMCs are formed by the board when a project moves to top
level
status. PPMCs are formed for an incubating project, and exactly
how
that works tends to differ a bit between projects. Some
mentors start
off with just the mentors on the PPMC, and then invite project
members
as time goes on (or that's the impression I've gotten). Others
just
start with the whole group of committers plus the mentors on the
PPMC
(that's what we did with Abdera).
I think starting with the mentors is the wisest choice as at
that point any committers can be brought aboard if deemed fit.
So that can support both models as all committers can be brought
aboard if it fits, or over time if more suitable. I was also
confused about this as I heard one thing from Noel and one thing
from Jim, but the mentors deciding seems sensible as projects
can be dealt with on a case by case basis. I don't believe
committers should automatically be made (P)PMC members as to me
it's a different level of understanding and commitment.
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html
I assume you're referring to this sentence:
"Initially, it is composed of the Podling's mentors and initial
committers."
I have also found some threads which indicate that all committers
should be added [1][2]. I want to know here - who is wrong? The
documentation? Or the previous incubated projects who didn't add
all the initial committers? There is also the following sentence
which adds some doubt that the above is the official policy:
"The PPMC is directly responsible for the oversight of the podling
and it also decides who to add as a PPMC member."
While this could be referrering to post PPMC formation, it isn't
clear. I will happily make a patch for the documentation to make
things more clear if there is consensus.
<opinion>
I am pretty philosophically against making every committer PPMC
members. Apache is meritocracy based and IMO it makes much more
sense to start with the mentors on the PPMC and have committers
voted on based on their leadership. There may be many people on the
incubation proposal or who have committed code to a project in the
past, but an additional level of leadership is needed [3]. Not
everyone may have the necessary leadership skills, and to
presuppose they do because they have contributed good code, is IMO,
a mistake.
</opinion>
Cheerz,
- Dan
1. http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/
200312.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
2. http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/
200603.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
3. See Project Management Committee section here http://
www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#structure
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