----- Original Message ----
> From: Ted Leung <twle...@sauria.com>
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:06:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Making up policy on the fly
>
>
> On Aug 19, 2009, at 10:49 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>
> >> when we can't even agree / document what that *right* way is.
> >
> > We who? Robert has done an outstanding job of documenting what the right
> > way is. The only people who can't agree to it are people who refuse to
> > acknowledge his work on this issue. Frankly looking at the commit history
> > to releasemanagement.xml I could care less what their opinion is- they've
> > had years to express it in that document and utterly failed to do so.
>
> I agree that Robert has done an outstanding job of documenting the right way.
>
> But in the days long cassandra thread that sparked this one, no one ever
> brought
> up that URL that Craig finally dug up yesterday.
Why do we need someone to dig up a URL to believe what infrastructure people
have
been saying consistently? If we tell you something is best-practice, why do
*we*
have to defend ourselves? Why aren't the people on the IPMC actually
*required* to
read /dev/release.html as a precondition to being put on this PMC? Shouldn't
people
*know* what the actual position of the foundation is before running around
casting
foundation votes?
> Until yesterday I think that
> some people didn't know (or agree with) the *right* way. It has nothing to
> do
> with acknowledging Robert's work. If we are going to come down on the
> podlings for not following the rules, then we should make sure that we give
> them
> straight talk on what the *right* definitive rules are. That clearly didn't
> happen in this case.
Obviously I agree with you, which is why I'm working on the IPMC documentation
wrt. releases. It's not the podling's fault for not understanding
best-practice,
that problem is a failure to educate via adopted documentation by this PMC. The
release guide Robert has been working on, largely by himself, for the past 3
years
remains in DRAFT status. That's something I intend to rectify ASAP.
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