On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 21:30, Noel J. Bergman <n...@devtech.com> wrote: > Greg Stein wrote: >... >> but the busy-bodies and rules pedants got all in our face. > > I read that thread, and as I commented on private@, I thought that it could > have been handled better.
I certainly could have handled it better. But that thread is *indicative* of the problem. We've pointed out a several now: two with Subversion, one with OODT. If that isn't enough for you, then you need to wake up to the pattern. >> Every message that I've seen from you today, Noel, is "gee. everything >> is operating just fine. just like it should. oversight is everything, >> and we need to do that, so I'm not going to listen to any suggestion >> of fixing anything or restructuring anything." > > Then you need to re-read them. Did you miss the several points where I said > that if someone isn't participating in a given project then unless they have > one of a few issues of substance they should either actively become part of > the community or butt out? Say it all you want, but that isn't how people operate here. Simple fact. If you want to fix it, then *DO* something rather than speak about it. > And did you miss my request to the Board for their input on the issue of > whether or not the PMC has to vote on new Committers? Claiming that I'm not > listening or open is, frankly, insulting. I saw that, and I saw Joe's request that you mischaracterized him, and then you brushed him off. Oh yes, I *am* tracking all this. Very closely. >> The Incubator is a broken process. Everybody hates it. Everybody wants to > get out of it. > > That is not the message that we get from most participants, but if that is > the case, then let's fix it. Who is "we"?? I'm part of the IPMC, so I'm part of that "we". Most of the feedback that I ever hear is not supportive. Might be interesting to run a poll. Get some real numbers. "Have you been through Incubation? Was it a positive experience?" >> Subversion was fortunate in that we had enough support to bully our way > through, to route >> around damage > > Such as? Let's be concrete and constructive, identify the specific problems > and address them. I've already told you. Disinterested third parties touting rules and patterns that were NOT part of the Apache Way, but were most definitely anti-Subversion-community. Certainly they had some *commonality* around Apache projects, but were in no way a required part of a collaborative, community-driven development process. They were just "different", so these third parties got in our face. Because they *could*. The Incubator supports the concept of random drive-bys from disinterested third parties. -g --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
