On Jun 2, 2011, at 3:34 PM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
> 
> Sense 2 is a but more subjective, since each person might have their own 
> vision of what the ideal community would look like.

Let's look at it this way: Pretend that when things starting going
south in OOo, but before TDF was formed, Oracle had done what it
just did: donate the code and the trademark to the ASF.

If that had happened, would those of you behind TDF still
have created it? This is, I think, an important question,
and an honest answer would get to any real underlying issues,
imo.

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