Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Nov 24, 2011 5:59 PM, "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamil...@acm.org> wrote: > > I understand about PMC chairs, but I thought that is for a TLP and happens at > Podling graduation.
The official role of PMC chair is created upon graduation, yes. But the responsibilities the role carries start once incubation starts. At present nobody l owns those responsibilities during graduation. > > Having PPMC chairs is a different story, and I hope I was careful not to > confuse the two. I also don't want to collapse champion and PPMC chair in > some way. I still favor the one and not the other. I have no need to say > more about that. > I'm confused, and therefore request more info about your concern. The two roles, as I understand them are essentially the same (once incubation starts). I don't see any significant differences and thus don't see any "collapse" of two roles into one. Can you point to the differences you perceive? Ross > Clarifying the role of champion is certainly a good idea. > > - Dennis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mattmann, Chris A (388J) [mailto:chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov] > Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 09:37 > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Cc: dennis.hamil...@acm.org > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation > coordinator" (was: should podlings have informal chairs?) > > On Nov 24, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > > > On 24 November 2011 17:17, Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamil...@acm.org> > > wrote: > >> I had hoped that the business of a PPMC-member champion being a VP-elect > >> would have just gone away. That coupling is certain to inspire political > >> motivation and purpose. > >> > > > > The suggestion below that the PPMC member elected as champion be the > > eventual VP is just a suggestion that the PPMC elected champion will > > be the PMC chair when the podling graduates. > > Thanks Ross. That's what I was trying to say, just didn't put it as elegantly > as you. > > Dennis, I get what you're saying and no worries, I'm not saying > anyone should be an "auto-elect" based on political motivations, or > based on how loud they scream. What you'll find over time in the ASF > is that "those who do, decide". I haven't seen a PMC chair (aka eventual > VP of a project) get elected so far that didn't "do" in some way, and > that was merely appointed as a political thing. > > Not to say that it couldn't happen, I just haven't seen it. > > Cheers, > Chris > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > Senior Computer Scientist > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
