On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Alan Cabrera <l...@toolazydogs.com> wrote: > > On Jul 30, 2013, at 8:44 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacre...@apache.org> > wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 5:55 AM, Marvin Humphrey <mar...@rectangular.com> >> wrote: >>> ...Bertrand was skeptical about an ASF-wide ombud, but didn't raise any >>> objection >>> to an Incubator-specific position. >>> http://s.apache.org/NAa >> ... >> >> Just laziness on my part...what I said there also applies to an >> Incubator ombudsman, I'll repeat it here: I don't think we need it - >> people should feel >> free to contact people that they trust (IPMC members, mentors, ASF >> members) privately if there's a need, and not having someone elected >> in the ombudsman role means people are free to talk to whoever *they* >> think will help. > > An ombudsman is there when all the normal processes don't work. It > alleviates an organization from from having to heavily codify what to do in > all manner of situations, thus keeping things simple.
Can you point me to any cases where "normal processes" didn't work which can be fixed with the Ombud? I know we have problems releasing packages. The Ombud will not make a difference here. I know we have problems overseeing projects. Shepherds have helped here. Nothing to do for an Ombud. What else can an Ombudsperson do instead of general@? > I'll note that most of those who seem to think that the position is not > needed are those who are well established and well connected in the ASF > community. I am still asking my questions on general@, and never in private. And I have a lot of questions. It's true that I am know quite a few folks at the ASF, but I ask incubator related questions at general@. In fact, I consider asking questions in private problematic. > > I'll also mention a point I made a while back, sometimes it's better to have > an ombudsman look into things rather than a random ASF member. I am sorry if I missed an important message you already made, but maybe you can point me to it. I didn't find it easily. I would like to know what these things are. Thanks! Christian PS: I appreciate this discussion even when I do not agree on the necessity of the Ombudsperson (yet). The intention - making the incubator a better place - is highly appreciated > > > Regards, > Alan > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > -- http://www.grobmeier.de https://www.timeandbill.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
