> On Jan 9, 2015, at 9:51 AM, Marvin Humphrey <mar...@rectangular.com> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 5:22 AM, Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> What is "The Apache Way"?  No one can say.
>>> 
>>> There is no bounded set of expectations that an Apache project must fulfill.
>>> 
>>> Where do Apache's official policies begin and end?  Which best practices
>>> must be mastered?  What will be enforced, what will be ignored?
>>> 
>>> Every last podling graduates without a clear understanding of The Apache
>>> Way, because it is impossible to attain a clear understanding of The Apache
>>> Way.
>> 
>> Really? Are you serious?
> 
> Absolutely.  And if anyone who represents us on the Board doesn't
> think that a lack of clear expectations is a problem, I think that's a
> big problem.
> 

And I think that someone who is an ASF member who claims that
the Apache Way is completely unknown and nebulous and that
there is no clear understanding of what the Apache Way is, well
I think that's a big problem as well.

Even bigger.
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