Please re-read the quote from Roy: "There is no diversity requirement at the ASF. There is a behavior requirement for graduation and a behavior requirement for TLPs. We must not confuse the two."
and later "I'd urge folks to fix the docs, but I know where that leads ... and I have no cycles to spare." Thanks, Roman. On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:55 PM, jan i <j...@apache.org> wrote: > On 21 July 2015 at 22:48, Daniel Gruno <humbed...@apache.org> wrote: > >> >> On 07/21/2015 10:39 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: >> > Present time diversity or lack of same is not a bar to graduation. >> >> So we should just scrap the bit in the Incubator policy that says "A >> major criterion for graduation is to have developed an open and diverse >> meritocratic community."? >> >> I think not. >> > > If diversity does not matter, then please explain these references: > http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html > > Diversity of committership is important for two main reasons: > > - > > it gives long term stability to the project development: in fact, with > all the developers affiliated to the same entity, the chance of seeing all > of them moving away from the project at the same time is much greater than > with a community of individuals affiliated to unrelated entities. > - > > it gives a greater variety of technical visions: something that > guarantees a better adherence to environment and user's needs, thus a > higher change of finding real-life use of the software. > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/reporting > > - > > PMC and committer diversity > > A healthy project should survive the departure of any single contributor > or employer of contributors. Healthy projects also serve needs of many > parties. Thus the ASF prefers that projects have diverse PMCs and > committerships. *IF* the PMC has any concerns or perceives a problem > with the diversity, then the report should include information on the > number of unique organizations currently represented in its PMC and > committership. > > If diversity did not matter for TLPs, the above explanation and guidelines > are false > > > I think not. > > > rgds > > jan I. > > >> >> >> > >> > What is important is that the committers and PMC of the new project >> > understand how to make releases and are building community. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Thanks, Konstantin, for the enlighting quote. And the link leading to >> >> nowhere. >> >> >> >> If we take away the names of the mentors from the list (Branko, Roman >> and >> >> yours) as well as those in other projects (Evans) from the list of >> intended >> >> project members, the situation even grows worse. Then the number grows >> to >> >> 77%. That doesn't look promising regarding independence, and neither >> >> regarding healthiness. >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> >> >> >> Pierre Smits >> >> >> >> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >> >> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >> >> Based Manufacturing, Professional >> >> Services and Retail & Trade >> >> http://www.orrtiz.com >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <c...@apache.org> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> The so-called diversity requirement has been discussed on this list >> for a >> >>> number of times. Most recent is the graduation of Flume project (back >> in >> >>> 2012). Here's a quote from that thread (kudos to Roy; for those who >> want >> >>> to look it up in the archives MessageId is >> >>> 73db2e64-87d5-4dd5-91fb-403464895...@gbiv.com): >> >>> >> >>> [quote] >> >>> There is no diversity requirement at the ASF. There is a behavior >> >>> requirement for graduation and a behavior requirement for TLPs. >> >>> We must not confuse the two. If the Incubator says that there is a >> >>> diversity requirement for graduation, ignore it (or at least figure >> >>> out what the docs were supposed to say and then do that). >> >>> I'd urge folks to fix the docs, but I know where that leads ... >> >>> and I have no cycles to spare. >> >>> >> >>> A diversity requirement would mean that a person's employment >> >>> status impacts their ability to participate here. IOW, it would >> >>> create a perverse incentive for them not to be employed. >> >>> [/quote] >> >>> >> >>> Regards, >> >>> Cos >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 05:55PM, Pierre Smits wrote: >> >>>> It seems that 63% of the podling's PMC is affiliated to 1 organisation >> >>>> (Gridgrain). >> >>>> >> >>>> Have sufficient grounds been covered to ensure diversity and >> >> independece? >> >>>> >> >>>> Best regards, >> >>>> >> >>>> Pierre Smits >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan < >> >>> dsetrak...@apache.org> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:08 AM, amareshwarisr . < >> >>> amareshw...@gmail.com> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Seems the DESCRIPTION_AND_SCOPE of the project is set to " the >> >>> automated >> >>>>>> and managed flow of information between systems." >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I dont see any such on project website - >> >>>>>> http://ignite.incubator.apache.org/ >> >>>>>> Looks like a copy from NIFI's graduation discussion - >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201506.mbox/%3CCALJK9a4PD%2B3qGGQbbHHyLfY8Ut9BP9VyEDwtnZDSWjpMKiwk9w%40mail.gmail.com%3E >> >>>>>> . >> >>>>>> You might want to correct it. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Yup, copy-n-paste never works :) Corrected below. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Correct me if description is fine and I'm wrong in understanding >> >> the >> >>>>>> description >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Thanks >> >>>>>> Amareshwari >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:06 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan < >> >>>>> dsetrak...@apache.org> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Hello Apache Incubator, >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> At the suggestion of our mentors the Ignite community established >> >>>>>> consensus >> >>>>>>> and held a successful vote with 14 +1 votes in favor of proposing >> >>>>>>> graduation to TLP. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Vote thread: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> >> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/VOTE-Graduate-Apache-Ignite-from-Incubation-td1539.html >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Summary of the vote results: >> >>>>>>> +1 (non-binding) = 14 >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> 1. Yakov Zhdanov (PMC) >> >>>>>>> 2. Gianfranco Murador (PMC) >> >>>>>>> 3. Ira Vasilinets (PMC) >> >>>>>>> 4. Nikolai Tichinov (PMC) >> >>>>>>> 5. Semyon Boikov (PMC) >> >>>>>>> 6. Sergi Vladykin (PMC) >> >>>>>>> 7. Alexey Goncharuk (PMC) >> >>>>>>> 8. Ognen Duzlevski (PMC) >> >>>>>>> 9. Valentin Kulichenko (PMC) >> >>>>>>> 10. Nikita Ivanov (PMC) >> >>>>>>> 11. Dmitriy Setrakyan (PMC) >> >>>>>>> 12. Andrey Novikov (Committer) >> >>>>>>> 13. Alexey Kuznetsov (Committer) >> >>>>>>> 14. Milap Wadwa >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> We’d like to initiate this discussion/proposal to establish a >> >>> consensus >> >>>>>>> within the incubator and if appropriate will initiate a vote. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Below is our proposed resolution: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Thank you >> >>>>>>> Dmitriy Setrakyan(on behalf of the Apache Ignite PPMC) >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> SUBJECT: Establish the Apache Ignite TLP >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best >> >>>>>>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the >> >>>>>>> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management >> >>>>>>> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of >> >>>>>>> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to >> >>>>>>> the public, related to the automated and managed flow of >> >>>>>>> information between systems. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Should be: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> --------- >> >>>>> "related to delivering an In-Memory Data Fabric - a high-performance, >> >>>>> integrated and distributed in-memory platform for computing and >> >>> transacting >> >>>>> on large-scale data sets in real-time" >> >>>>> -------- >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management >> >>>>>>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Ignite Project", >> >>>>>>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the >> >>>>>>> Foundation; and be it further >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be and hereby is >> >>>>>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software >> >>>>>>> related to the automated and managed flow of information >> >>>>>>> between systems and be it further >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Ignite" >> >> be >> >>>>>>> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to >> >>>>>>> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair >> >>>>>>> of the Apache Ignite Project, and to have primary >> >>> responsibility >> >>>>>>> for management of the projects within the scope of >> >>>>>>> responsibility of the Apache Ignite Project; and be it >> >> further >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and >> >>>>>>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the >> >>>>>>> Apache Ignite Project: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Semyon Boikov (sboi...@apache.org) >> >>>>>>> Konstantin Boudnik (c...@apache.org) >> >>>>>>> Branko Čibej (br...@apache.org) >> >>>>>>> Ognen Duzlevski (mak...@apache.org) >> >>>>>>> Sergey Evdokimov (sevdoki...@apache.org) >> >>>>>>> Alexey Goncharuk (agoncha...@apache.org) >> >>>>>>> Nikita Ivanov (nivano...@apache.org) >> >>>>>>> Sergey Khisamov (s...@apache.org) >> >>>>>>> Valentin Kulichenko (vkuliche...@apache.org) >> >>>>>>> Alexey Kuznetsov (akuznet...@apache.org) >> >>>>>>> Gianfranco Murador (mura...@apache.org) >> >>>>>>> Andrey Novikov (anovi...@apache.org) >> >>>>>>> Vladimir Ozerov (voze...@apache.org) >> >>>>>>> Dmitriy Setrakyan (dsetrak...@apache.org) >> >>>>>>> Roman Shaposhnik (r...@apache.org) >> >>>>>>> Ilya Sterin (iste...@apache.org) >> >>>>>>> Nikolai Tikhonov (ntikho...@apache.org) >> >>>>>>> Irina Vasilinets (ivasilin...@apache.org) >> >>>>>>> Anton Vinogradov (a...@apache.org) >> >>>>>>> Sergey Vladykin (svlady...@apache.org) >> >>>>>>> Evans Ye (evan...@apache.org) >> >>>>>>> Yakov Zhdanov (yzhda...@apache.org) >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that >> >>>>>>> Dmitriy Setrakyan be appointed to the office of Vice >> >> President, >> >>>>>>> Apache Ignite, to serve in accordance with and subject to the >> >>>>>>> direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the >> >>>>>>> Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or >> >>>>>>> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; >> >>>>>>> and be it further >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Ignite PMC be and hereby is >> >>>>>>> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to >> >>>>>>> encourage open development and increased participation in the >> >>>>>>> Apache Ignite Project; and be it further >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be and hereby >> >>>>>>> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the >> >> Apache >> >>>>>>> Incubator Ignite podling; and be it further >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache >> >>>>>>> Incubator Ignite podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator >> >>>>>>> Project are hereafter discharged. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
