Hi,

I don't know deeply Crunch, but AFAIK, Crunch creates MapReduce pipeline, it doesn't provide runner abstraction. It's based on FlumeJava.

The logic is very similar (with DoFns, pipelines, ...). Correct me if I'm wrong, but Crunch started after Google Dataflow, especially because Dataflow was not opensourced at that time.

So, I agree it's very similar/close.

Regards
JB

On 01/22/2016 05:51 PM, Ashish wrote:
Hi JB,

Curious to know about how it compares to Apache Crunch? Constructs
looks very familiar (had used Crunch long ago)

Thoughts?

- Ashish

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:33 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
Hi Seshu,

I blogged about Apache Dataflow proposal:
http://blog.nanthrax.net/2016/01/introducing-apache-dataflow/

You can see in the "what's next ?" section that new runners, skins and
sources are on our roadmap. Definitely, a storm runner could be part of
this.

Regards
JB


On 01/22/2016 03:31 PM, Adunuthula, Seshu wrote:

Awesome to see CloudDataFlow coming to Apache. The Stream Processing area
has been in general fragmented with a variety of solutions, hoping the
community galvanizes around Apache Data Flow.

We are still in the "Apache Storm" world, Any chance for folks building a
"Storm Runner²?


On 1/20/16, 9:39 AM, "James Malone" <jamesmal...@google.com.INVALID>
wrote:

Great proposal. I like that your proposal includes a well presented
roadmap, but I don't see any goals that directly address building a
larger
community. Y'all have any ideas around outreach that will help with
adoption?


Thank you and fair point. We have a few additional ideas which we can put
into the Community section.



As a start, I recommend y'all add a section to the proposal on the wiki
page for "Additional Interested Contributors" so that folks who want to
sign up to participate in the project can do so without requesting
additions to the initial committer list.


This is a great idea and I think it makes a lot of sense to add an
"Additional
Interested Contributors" section to the proposal.


On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 10:32 AM, James Malone <
jamesmal...@google.com.invalid> wrote:

Hello everyone,

Attached to this message is a proposed new project - Apache Dataflow,

a

unified programming model for data processing and integration.

The text of the proposal is included below. Additionally, the

proposal is

in draft form on the wiki where we will make any required changes:

https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DataflowProposal

We look forward to your feedback and input.

Best,

James

----

= Apache Dataflow =

== Abstract ==

Dataflow is an open source, unified model and set of language-specific

SDKs

for defining and executing data processing workflows, and also data
ingestion and integration flows, supporting Enterprise Integration

Patterns

(EIPs) and Domain Specific Languages (DSLs). Dataflow pipelines

simplify

the mechanics of large-scale batch and streaming data processing and

can

run on a number of runtimes like Apache Flink, Apache Spark, and

Google

Cloud Dataflow (a cloud service). Dataflow also brings DSL in

different

languages, allowing users to easily implement their data integration
processes.

== Proposal ==

Dataflow is a simple, flexible, and powerful system for distributed

data

processing at any scale. Dataflow provides a unified programming

model, a

software development kit to define and construct data processing

pipelines,

and runners to execute Dataflow pipelines in several runtime engines,

like

Apache Spark, Apache Flink, or Google Cloud Dataflow. Dataflow can be

used

for a variety of streaming or batch data processing goals including

ETL,

stream analysis, and aggregate computation. The underlying programming
model for Dataflow provides MapReduce-like parallelism, combined with
support for powerful data windowing, and fine-grained correctness

control.


== Background ==

Dataflow started as a set of Google projects focused on making data
processing easier, faster, and less costly. The Dataflow model is a
successor to MapReduce, FlumeJava, and Millwheel inside Google and is
focused on providing a unified solution for batch and stream

processing.

These projects on which Dataflow is based have been published in

several

papers made available to the public:

* MapReduce - http://research.google.com/archive/mapreduce.html

* Dataflow model  - http://www.vldb.org/pvldb/vol8/p1792-Akidau.pdf

* FlumeJava - http://notes.stephenholiday.com/FlumeJava.pdf

* MillWheel - http://research.google.com/pubs/pub41378.html

Dataflow was designed from the start to provide a portable programming
layer. When you define a data processing pipeline with the Dataflow

model,

you are creating a job which is capable of being processed by any

number
of

Dataflow processing engines. Several engines have been developed to

run

Dataflow pipelines in other open source runtimes, including a Dataflow
runner for Apache Flink and Apache Spark. There is also a ³direct

runner²,

for execution on the developer machine (mainly for dev/debug

purposes).

Another runner allows a Dataflow program to run on a managed service,
Google Cloud Dataflow, in Google Cloud Platform. The Dataflow Java

SDK is

already available on GitHub, and independent from the Google Cloud

Dataflow

service. Another Python SDK is currently in active development.

In this proposal, the Dataflow SDKs, model, and a set of runners will

be

submitted as an OSS project under the ASF. The runners which are a

part
of

this proposal include those for Spark (from Cloudera), Flink (from

data

Artisans), and local development (from Google); the Google Cloud

Dataflow

service runner is not included in this proposal. Further references to
Dataflow will refer to the Dataflow model, SDKs, and runners which

are a

part of this proposal (Apache Dataflow) only. The initial submission

will

contain the already-released Java SDK; Google intends to submit the

Python

SDK later in the incubation process. The Google Cloud Dataflow service

will

continue to be one of many runners for Dataflow, built on Google Cloud
Platform, to run Dataflow pipelines. Necessarily, Cloud Dataflow will
develop against the Apache project additions, updates, and changes.

Google

Cloud Dataflow will become one user of Apache Dataflow and will

participate

in the project openly and publicly.

The Dataflow programming model has been designed with simplicity,
scalability, and speed as key tenants. In the Dataflow model, you only

need

to think about four top-level concepts when constructing your data
processing job:

* Pipelines - The data processing job made of a series of computations
including input, processing, and output

* PCollections - Bounded (or unbounded) datasets which represent the

input,

intermediate and output data in pipelines

* PTransforms - A data processing step in a pipeline in which one or

more

PCollections are an input and output

* I/O Sources and Sinks - APIs for reading and writing data which are

the

roots and endpoints of the pipeline

== Rationale ==

With Dataflow, Google intended to develop a framework which allowed
developers to be maximally productive in defining the processing, and

then

be able to execute the program at various levels of
latency/cost/completeness without re-architecting or re-writing it.

This

goal was informed by Google¹s past experience  developing several

models,

frameworks, and tools useful for large-scale and distributed data
processing. While Google has previously published papers describing

some
of

its technologies, Google decided to take a different approach with
Dataflow. Google open-sourced the SDK and model alongside

commercialization

of the idea and ahead of publishing papers on the topic. As a result,

a

number of open source runtimes exist for Dataflow, such as the Apache

Flink

and Apache Spark runners.

We believe that submitting Dataflow as an Apache project will provide

an

immediate, worthwhile, and substantial contribution to the open source
community. As an incubating project, we believe Dataflow will have a

better

opportunity to provide a meaningful contribution to OSS and also

integrate

with other Apache projects.

In the long term, we believe Dataflow can be a powerful abstraction

layer

for data processing. By providing an abstraction layer for data

pipelines

and processing, data workflows can be increasingly portable,

resilient to

breaking changes in tooling, and compatible across many execution

engines,

runtimes, and open source projects.

== Initial Goals ==

We are breaking our initial goals into immediate (< 2 months),

short-term

(2-4 months), and intermediate-term (> 4 months).

Our immediate goals include the following:

* Plan for reconciling the Dataflow Java SDK and various runners into

one

project

* Plan for refactoring the existing Java SDK for better extensibility

by

SDK and runner writers

* Validating all dependencies are ASL 2.0 or compatible

* Understanding and adapting to the Apache development process

Our short-term goals include:

* Moving the newly-merged lists, and build utilities to Apache

* Start refactoring codebase and move code to Apache Git repo

* Continue development of new features, functions, and fixes in the
Dataflow Java SDK, and Dataflow runners

* Cleaning up the Dataflow SDK sources and crafting a roadmap and plan

for

how to include new major ideas, modules, and runtimes

* Establishment of easy and clear build/test framework for Dataflow

and

associated runtimes; creation of testing, rollback, and validation

policy


* Analysis and design for work needed to make Dataflow a better data
processing abstraction layer for multiple open source frameworks and
environments

Finally, we have a number of intermediate-term goals:

* Roadmapping, planning, and execution of integrations with other OSS

and

non-OSS projects/products

* Inclusion of additional SDK for Python, which is under active

development


== Current Status ==

=== Meritocracy ===

Dataflow was initially developed based on ideas from many employees

within

Google. As an ASL OSS project on GitHub, the Dataflow SDK has received
contributions from data Artisans, Cloudera Labs, and other individual
developers. As a project under incubation, we are committed to

expanding

our effort to build an environment which supports a meritocracy. We

are

focused on engaging the community and other related projects for

support

and contributions. Moreover, we are committed to ensure contributors

and

committers to Dataflow come from a broad mix of organizations through

a

merit-based decision process during incubation. We believe strongly in

the

Dataflow model and are committed to growing an inclusive community of
Dataflow contributors.

=== Community ===

The core of the Dataflow Java SDK has been developed by Google for use

with

Google Cloud Dataflow. Google has active community engagement in the

SDK

GitHub repository (

https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/DataflowJavaSDK

),
on Stack Overflow (
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/google-cloud-dataflow) and

has

had contributions from a number of organizations and indivuduals.

Everyday, Cloud Dataflow is actively used by a number of organizations

and

institutions for batch and stream processing of data. We believe

acceptance

will allow us to consolidate existing Dataflow-related work, grow the
Dataflow community, and deepen connections between Dataflow and other

open

source projects.

=== Core Developers ===

The core developers for Dataflow and the Dataflow runners are:

* Frances Perry

* Tyler Akidau

* Davor Bonaci

* Luke Cwik

* Ben Chambers

* Kenn Knowles

* Dan Halperin

* Daniel Mills

* Mark Shields

* Craig Chambers

* Maximilian Michels

* Tom White

* Josh Wills

=== Alignment ===

The Dataflow SDK can be used to create Dataflow pipelines which can be
executed on Apache Spark or Apache Flink. Dataflow is also related to

other

Apache projects, such as Apache Crunch. We plan on expanding

functionality

for Dataflow runners, support for additional domain specific

languages,
and

increased portability so Dataflow is a powerful abstraction layer for

data

processing.

== Known Risks ==

=== Orphaned Products ===

The Dataflow SDK is presently used by several organizations, from

small

startups to Fortune 100 companies, to construct production pipelines

which

are executed in Google Cloud Dataflow. Google has a long-term

commitment
to

advance the Dataflow SDK; moreover, Dataflow is seeing increasing

interest,

development, and adoption from organizations outside of Google.

=== Inexperience with Open Source ===

Google believes strongly in open source and the exchange of

information
to

advance new ideas and work. Examples of this commitment are active OSS
projects such as Chromium (https://www.chromium.org) and Kubernetes (
http://kubernetes.io/). With Dataflow, we have tried to be

increasingly

open and forward-looking; we have published a paper in the VLDB

conference

describing the Dataflow model (
http://www.vldb.org/pvldb/vol8/p1792-Akidau.pdf) and were quick to

release

the Dataflow SDK as open source software with the launch of Cloud

Dataflow.

Our submission to the Apache Software Foundation is a logical

extension
of

our commitment to open source software.

=== Homogeneous Developers ===

The majority of committers in this proposal belong to Google due to

the

fact that Dataflow has emerged from several internal Google projects.

This

proposal also includes committers outside of Google who are actively
involved with other Apache projects, such as Hadoop, Flink, and Spark.

We

expect our entry into incubation will allow us to expand the number of
individuals and organizations participating in Dataflow development.
Additionally, separation of the Dataflow SDK from Google Cloud

Dataflow

allows us to focus on the open source SDK and model and do what is

best
for

this project.

=== Reliance on Salaried Developers ===

The Dataflow SDK and Dataflow runners have been developed primarily by
salaried developers supporting the Google Cloud Dataflow project.

While
the

Dataflow SDK and Cloud Dataflow have been developed by different teams

(and

this proposal would reinforce that separation) we expect our initial

set
of

developers will still primarily be salaried. Contribution has not been
exclusively from salaried developers, however. For example, the

contrib

directory of the Dataflow SDK (



https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/DataflowJavaSDK/tree/master/contri
b

)
contains items from free-time contributors. Moreover, seperate

projects,

such as ScalaFlow (https://github.com/darkjh/scalaflow) have been

created

around the Dataflow model and SDK. We expect our reliance on salaried
developers will decrease over time during incubation.

=== Relationship with other Apache products ===

Dataflow directly interoperates with or utilizes several existing

Apache

projects.

* Build

** Apache Maven

* Data I/O, Libraries

** Apache Avro

** Apache Commons

* Dataflow runners

** Apache Flink

** Apache Spark

Dataflow when used in batch mode shares similarities with Apache

Crunch;

however, Dataflow is focused on a model, SDK, and abstraction layer

beyond

Spark and Hadoop (MapReduce.) One key goal of Dataflow is to provide

an

intermediate abstraction layer which can easily be implemented and

utilized

across several different processing frameworks.

=== An excessive fascination with the Apache brand ===

With this proposal we are not seeking attention or publicity. Rather,

we

firmly believe in the Dataflow model, SDK, and the ability to make

Dataflow

a powerful yet simple framework for data processing. While the

Dataflow
SDK

and model have been open source, we believe putting code on GitHub can

only

go so far. We see the Apache community, processes, and mission as

critical

for ensuring the Dataflow SDK and model are truly community-driven,
positively impactful, and innovative open source software. While

Google
has

taken a number of steps to advance its various open source projects,

we

believe Dataflow is a great fit for the Apache Software Foundation

due to

its focus on data processing and its relationships to existing ASF
projects.

== Documentation ==

The following documentation is relevant to this proposal. Relevant

portion

of the documentation will be contributed to the Apache Dataflow

project.


* Dataflow website: https://cloud.google.com/dataflow

* Dataflow programming model:
https://cloud.google.com/dataflow/model/programming-model

* Codebases

** Dataflow Java SDK:
https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/DataflowJavaSDK

** Flink Dataflow runner:

https://github.com/dataArtisans/flink-dataflow


** Spark Dataflow runner: https://github.com/cloudera/spark-dataflow

* Dataflow Java SDK issue tracker:
https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/DataflowJavaSDK/issues

* google-cloud-dataflow tag on Stack Overflow:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/google-cloud-dataflow

== Initial Source ==

The initial source for Dataflow which we will submit to the Apache
Foundation will include several related projects which are currently

hosted

on the GitHub repositories:

* Dataflow Java SDK (
https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/DataflowJavaSDK)

* Flink Dataflow runner

(https://github.com/dataArtisans/flink-dataflow)


* Spark Dataflow runner (https://github.com/cloudera/spark-dataflow)

These projects have always been Apache 2.0 licensed. We intend to

bundle

all of these repositories since they are all complimentary and should

be

maintained in one project. Prior to our submission, we will combine

all
of

these projects into a new git repository.

== Source and Intellectual Property Submission Plan ==

The source for the Dataflow SDK and the three runners (Spark, Flink,

Google

Cloud Dataflow) are already licensed under an Apache 2 license.

* Dataflow SDK -



https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/DataflowJavaSDK/blob/master/LICENS
E


* Flink runner -
https://github.com/dataArtisans/flink-dataflow/blob/master/LICENSE

* Spark runner -
https://github.com/cloudera/spark-dataflow/blob/master/LICENSE

Contributors to the Dataflow SDK have also signed the Google

Individual

Contributor License Agreement (
https://cla.developers.google.com/about/google-individual) in order to
contribute to the project.

With respect to trademark rights, Google does not hold a trademark on

the

phrase ³Dataflow.² Based on feedback and guidance we receive during

the

incubation process, we are open to renaming the project if necessary

for

trademark or other concerns.

== External Dependencies ==

All external dependencies are licensed under an Apache 2.0 or
Apache-compatible license. As we grow the Dataflow community we will
configure our build process to require and validate all contributions

and

dependencies are licensed under the Apache 2.0 license or are under an
Apache-compatible license.

== Required Resources ==

=== Mailing Lists ===

We currently use a mix of mailing lists. We will migrate our existing
mailing lists to the following:

* d...@dataflow.incubator.apache.org

* u...@dataflow.incubator.apache.org

* priv...@dataflow.incubator.apache.org

* comm...@dataflow.incubator.apache.org

=== Source Control ===

The Dataflow team currently uses Git and would like to continue to do

so.

We request a Git repository for Dataflow with mirroring to GitHub

enabled.


=== Issue Tracking ===

We request the creation of an Apache-hosted JIRA. The Dataflow

project is

currently using both a public GitHub issue tracker and internal Google
issue tracking. We will migrate and combine from these two sources to

the

Apache JIRA.

== Initial Committers ==

* Aljoscha Krettek     [aljos...@apache.org]

* Amit Sela            [amitsel...@gmail.com]

* Ben Chambers         [bchamb...@google.com]

* Craig Chambers       [chamb...@google.com]

* Dan Halperin         [dhalp...@google.com]

* Davor Bonaci         [da...@google.com]

* Frances Perry        [f...@google.com]

* James Malone         [jamesmal...@google.com]

* Jean-Baptiste Onofré [jbono...@apache.org]

* Josh Wills           [jwi...@apache.org]

* Kostas Tzoumas       [kos...@data-artisans.com]

* Kenneth Knowles      [k...@google.com]

* Luke Cwik            [lc...@google.com]

* Maximilian Michels   [m...@apache.org]

* Stephan Ewen         [step...@data-artisans.com]

* Tom White            [t...@cloudera.com]

* Tyler Akidau         [taki...@google.com]

== Affiliations ==

The initial committers are from six organizations. Google developed
Dataflow and the Dataflow SDK, data Artisans developed the Flink

runner,

and Cloudera (Labs) developed the Spark runner.

* Cloudera

** Tom White

* Data Artisans

** Aljoscha Krettek

** Kostas Tzoumas

** Maximilian Michels

** Stephan Ewen

* Google

** Ben Chambers

** Dan Halperin

** Davor Bonaci

** Frances Perry

** James Malone

** Kenneth Knowles

** Luke Cwik

** Tyler Akidau

* PayPal

** Amit Sela

* Slack

** Josh Wills

* Talend

** Jean-Baptiste Onofré

== Sponsors ==

=== Champion ===

* Jean-Baptiste Onofre      [jbono...@apache.org]

=== Nominated Mentors ===

* Jim Jagielski           [j...@apache.org]

* Venkatesh Seetharam     [venkat...@apache.org]

* Bertrand Delacretaz     [bdelacre...@apache.org]

* Ted Dunning             [tdunn...@apache.org]

=== Sponsoring Entity ===

The Apache Incubator




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