That's what I figured. We could just go straight to TLP I suppose, if you guys honestly don't think the Incubator would help. Is there any harm going through the incubator? I don't want to reignite the "straight to TLP" debate.
We honestly need some help/advice getting more folks involved. There have been a ton of contributions through the the years, but most have been of the "drive-by" variety. I believe it's a fairly popular library, even among some the other Commons components. On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 5:58 PM Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't think that there is a good definition of empty. The smaller the > initial community, the larger the effort to bootstrap is the observation, > but we don't really have a magic rule to apply. > > > > On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:55 PM, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> > wrote: > > > What do we consider "empty"? Is there some observed "critical mass"? > Right > > now I believe we are 4 (to contribute), but they have had users for a > long > > time. > > > > On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 5:29 PM John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > > > > Generally speaking, incubation is to nurture a community to adopting > the > > > Apache Way. This includes self governance, community growth and > > licensing > > > policies. > > > > > > We generally expect some kind of backing community to bring this to. > We > > > have seen pretty consistently that starting from an empty community > > doesn't > > > work. It doesn't mean that it's impossible, but very hard to do. > > > > > > John > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 3:07 PM Jochen Wiedmann < > > jochen.wiedm...@gmail.com > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Looking back through the discussion, it is a bit of a problem that > > one > > > of > > > > > the major reasons given for the fork is that the team thought that > > they > > > > > didn't have a large enough PMC and that incubation wouldn't get > them > > > > enough > > > > > additional contributors. That made it seem like the project should > go > > > > > forward without meeting Apache requirements (i.e. outside). > > > > > > > > > > Is the situation really that different now that a vastly diminished > > > team > > > > is > > > > > likely to benefit from incubation enough to form a viable TLP? > > > > > > > > > > (I hate that this sounds negative ... it is a real question) > > > > > > > > We can't tell you. It is just, that some of us (including me) have > the > > > > feeling/opinion, that going through the Incubator is the path, where > > > > the chances are best to attract new committers. > > > > > > > > Jochen > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > The next time you hear: "Don't reinvent the wheel!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.keystonedevelopment.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/evolution-of-the-wheel-300x85.jpg > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
