Looking back through the discussion, it is a bit of a problem that one of
the major reasons given for the fork is that the team thought that they
didn't have a large enough PMC and that incubation wouldn't get them enough
additional contributors. That made it seem like the project should go
forward without meeting Apache requirements (i.e. outside).

Is the situation really that different now that a vastly diminished team is
likely to benefit from incubation enough to form a viable TLP?

(I hate that this sounds negative ... it is a real question)



On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>
wrote:

> I thought this had been made clear.  Several months Commons voted to make
> Math a TLP. But shortly after that most of the people involved with Commons
> Math felt that a TLP at the ASF would not work for them, so they forked the
> project and left, effectively voiding the TLP vote since the proposed PMC
> is no longer valid.  There is one person left who was very involved in
> Commons Math and a few other people who have expressed interest in joining
> the new community.
>
> So this is a situation where we have an already existing code base where a
> lot of the people left are not familiar with quite a bit of it.  The new
> group of people who are interested are trying to determine how they should
> move forward. There is some talk of breaking Commons Math into smaller
> components and possibly dropping some where there is no one to maintain it.
>
> Ralph
>
> > On Jun 11, 2016, at 6:21 PM, Niclas Hedhman <nic...@hedhman.org> wrote:
> >
> > If you have a functioning community around Commons Math already, why do
> you
> > feel you need Incubation?
> >
> > People on a Math TLP would come out of the Commons PMC and simply submit
> a
> > Board Resolution, and I doubt that there would be any objects. There are
> no
> > legal concerns, no community training, no need for release management
> > training, and so on...
> >
> > Or are you looking at a situation where the Commons community has no
> > interest in Math subproject, and need new blood?
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> > Niclas
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 6:25 PM, James Carman <
> ja...@carmanconsulting.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> We (the Commons PMC) have not decided yet what to do, but I just wanted
> to
> >> gauge the interest in joining the math IPMC if we choose to go TLP by
> way
> >> of the incubator. The idea would be that math (whatever its name may
> be),
> >> would go through the incubator in order to enrich its community prior to
> >> becoming a TLP. Do we have any folks willing to throw their hat in the
> >> ring?
> >>
> >> p.s. I've cross-posted to the incubator list as there are folks there
> who
> >> are very good at this stuff and could perhaps lend us some advice.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> > http://zest.apache.org - New Energy for Java
>
>
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