On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 8:47 PM, P. Taylor Goetz <ptgo...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Apr 25, 2017, at 9:06 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> wrote: >> >> I honestly think its time for us to consider being more board like >> around here at >> IPMC. May be not exactly as strict as the board, but moving in that >> direction. >> >> After all, being a podling means being TLP-on-training-wheels. That's the >> whole >> idea. If your PMC shrinks -- you have to know what it means. Same here. If >> your >> mentors are not active -- you've got to raise hell around here on general@ >> before its too late. > > I mostly agree, but would hesitate with the idea that a podling be > responsible for > raising a red flag when mentors are inactive. If the IPMC isn’t doing it’s > job, > that’s on us, not the projects we incubate.
I am not saying IPMC is off the hook here, but rather I'm trying to instill a sense of self-reliance in a future TLP. While PPMC is mostly an artificial construct from the ASF's point of view, the idea there is to teach podling how the TLP PMC should behave. One of the traits of this behaviour is to recognize problems within the community and try to resolve them instead of semi-passively waiting for either board or IPMC to intervene. Again, I'm not advocating for shifting the responsibility as much as I'm advocating for shift in perspective. I would still expect the IPMC members to be watchful, but I would also expect them to use every opportunity like that as a teaching moment. E.g. "oh, so we've noticed you're struggling with mentors being MIA, we're sorry about that, but have you considered escalating to IPMC and perhaps soliciting additional mentors?" instead of "oh, so we've noticed you're struggling with mentors being MIA, let us fix this for you" (I'm obviously exaggerating, but you catch my drift). Thanks, Roman. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
