Thanks Dave!
> With no one subscribed to commits@ how is the PPMC watching the codebase? > I believe most of us watch the codebase through github instead of the commits@. Note that the github discuss issues (VOTE, RFC, COMMUNITY) are forwarded to dev@(rather than commits), so we can make sure that anyone who subscribed to dev@ can follow overall development, without having to be overwhelmed by the information in raw gituhb notifications. With only one PPMC member subscribed it would be better not to have > security list and instead count on securty@apache to inform private@tvm. I agree that is our oversight, I created the security@mail-list, but later realized that we can count on securty@apache, the current security guide https://tvm.apache.org/docs/dev/security.html already points to security@apache but I forget to ask infra to remove the list To address the question about bringing in people to the committers. The PPMC totally agrees about bringing in new members actively to the community! And we are doing so in a quite steady fashion. I agree that there could be some cases where a person's proposal could be slightly delayed, because I try to refrain from proposing new committers from our own orgs. But overall we find that our community members interact with each other(outside their organizations) more often, and usually my fellow PMC members bring them to the commiterships in a timely manner:) I also think a slight lag is understandable given that most PPMC members are volunteers from a diverse group and operate on their part time capacity. Given both principles (not nominating from same org and un-official reviewer) are voted by the community, and we use explicit disclaimer for the cases, I believe it still works under the ASF framework. Just like the un-official maturity model used by the incubator, which serves a goal to the community to grow, rather than as a gatekeeper Again, we strive to continue the effort of bringing in new members to the community, and nurturing community growth as we do so now. TQ > Regards, > Dave > > > > > Hope these answers help clarify your concerns and questions about the > > Apache TVM community. > > > > Thanks, > > > > - Henry > > > > On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:58 AM Tianqi Chen <tqc...@apache.org> wrote: > > > >> Thank you Dave! > >> > >> (1) They have invented a new position between Contributor and Committer > >>> called “Reviewer”. I’m not sure why this was done. It seems to me that > >>> these individuals should just become Committers. > >>> > >> > >> Reviewer is not an official position, but as a way for us to encourage > >> reviews and find potential candidates for committerships. > >> We use the following disclaimer which we sent during discussion a > reviewer > >> case and not vote is carried out(to lower bar of entry) > >> > >> Background: A Reviewer is not an official role, the community use this > >> way to recognize potential committers early and bring them to the > >> project development. Given the reviewer role is not official, we will > >> only hold a discussion instead of a formal vote. We continue to follow > >> the community’s principle to only nominate someone from a different > >> organization. > >> > >> The recognition of (un-official) reviewer is voted by the community as > part > >> of Apache transition plan > >> > >> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c34b728f01d1030146594e47e0706cd1990ed731d06e3c179b7d501a%40%3Cdev.tvm.apache.org%3E > >> > >> We strongly believe in nurturing contributions, welcome members to the > >> community, and help the community to grow organically under the Apache > way. > >> The community is actively bringing in new committers, and we are doing > so > >> at a monthly rate. > >> To encourage diversity and healthy growth the PPMC members strive to > make a > >> more diverse community by only nominating people from a different > >> organization. > >> So there could be cases where a person from my own organization that I > >> think should be nominated as a committer, but I wait until the person > get > >> recognized by a fellow PMC member > >> from another organization. This wait usually won't be too long. Even > >> better, the community members work together with each other, > >> since the most important factor is after all the community. > >> > >> (2) All discussions are threaded in GitHub and then reflected into the > >>> dev@tvm mailing list. I just find this strange. > >>> > >> > >> As per apache way, everything happens (also happens) on dev@tvm. We > try to > >> set up the mechanism to enable maximum participation from the community, > >> while complying with ASF rules :) > >> The emails from the dev@tvm are also forwarded to the github thread. > >> > >> > >> > >>> Also, the discussion thread looks like a vote. Nothing is really > >> discussed > >>> about satisfying graduation requirements. > >>> > >>> Did TVM fill out a Maturity Model? > >>> > >> > >> Please see the maturity model here > >> > >> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/18nyAH-fcptVezAxPQe6H3FeTKPRkujOp1tc1YRSPLok/edit?usp=sharing > >> The maturity model is attached as part of the community discussion as > >> well(inlined in the email when community model is mentioned. > >> > >> TQ > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:43 AM Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Aug 27, 2020, at 10:27 AM, Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi - > >>>> > >>>> I am bothered by two things that TVM does. > >>>> > >>>> (1) They have invented a new position between Contributor and > Committer > >>> called “Reviewer”. I’m not sure why this was done. It seems to me that > >>> these individuals should just become Committers. > >>> > >>> Looking a little more closely it seems that Reviewers ought to be PMC > >>> Members. Please explain. > >>> > >>>> > >>>> (2) All discussions are threaded in GitHub and then reflected into the > >>> dev@tvm mailing list. I just find this strange. > >>>> > >>>> Also, the discussion thread looks like a vote. Nothing is really > >>> discussed about satisfying graduation requirements. > >>>> > >>>> Did TVM fill out a Maturity Model? > >>> > >>> I see you held that back until the VOTE thread. > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> Dave > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On Aug 24, 2020, at 2:04 PM, Tianqi Chen <tqc...@apache.org> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Edit the subject so that it is obvious as a discussion thread in > >>>>> general@incubator. > >>>>> > >>>>> TQ > >>>>> > >>>>> FYI, following a heated discussion with great support from our > >> mentors, > >>>>>> committers and community members. > >>>>>> The Apache(incubating) TVM is starting a vote to graduate as TLP > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - [1] community DISCUSS thread: > >>>>>> > >>> > >> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r91b8f469c6a54769869bb2435b7334a28bcff885ae078ab5612dae00%40%3Cdev.tvm.apache.org%3E > >>>>>> - [2] voting thread: > >>>>>> > >>> > >> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rd5b8eefe49af09a2d0913758a5e5737b3fdb9072bc0becf4a2b2c7ee%40%3Cdev.tvm.apache.org%3E > >>>>>> > >>>>>> TQ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- > >>>>>> From: Tianqi Chen <notificati...@github.com> > >>>>>> Date: Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 1:51 PM > >>>>>> Subject: [apache/incubator-tvm] [VOTE] Apache TVM Graduation (#6332) > >>>>>> To: apache/incubator-tvm <incubator-...@noreply.github.com> > >>>>>> Cc: Subscribed <subscri...@noreply.github.com> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dear Community: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks to everyone who participated in the discussion about > >>>>>> graduation[1]. This is a formal voting thread for Apache TVM’s > >>> graduation. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If this vote passes, the next step would be to submit the resolution > >>> below > >>>>>> to the Incubator PMC, who would vote on sending it on to the Apache > >>> Board. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Vote: > >>>>>> [ ] +1 - Recommend graduation of Apache TVM as a TLP > >>>>>> [ ] 0 - I don't feel strongly about it, but don't object > >>>>>> [ ] -1 - Do not recommend graduation of Apache TVM because... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The VOTE will open for at least 72 hours. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> This thread is mirrored to dev@, please vote by replying to this > >>> thread > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ------------------ > >>>>>> The TVM project has been an Apache incubator project for nearly 1.5 > >>> year > >>>>>> now. In the past one and half year, the community grew healthily > >> under > >>> the > >>>>>> Apache way. Some highlights include: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - A successful developer conference that we are continuing to host > >> this > >>>>>> year > >>>>>> - Great community growth, as of now, the community contains 16 PPMC > >>>>>> members, 31 committers, from a diverse list of organizations. We are > >>>>>> actively growing the list monthly. > >>>>>> - Active contributions: ~ 150 PRs merged each month. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The community has produced two formal apache releases. While we > could > >>> also > >>>>>> wait until more releases. We feel that the community is mature > enough > >>> that > >>>>>> we can push for graduation as it is, and continue to push for high > >>> quality > >>>>>> releases concurrently. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> For reference, we also put together a maturity evaluation doc[2] > >> under > >>> the > >>>>>> Apache maturity model. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Some additional note about the resolution below: the current PPMC > >> will > >>> be > >>>>>> transitioned to the PMC. We have invited all the mentors in the > >> current > >>>>>> PPMC who like to stay involved. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ----------------- > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Establish the Apache TVM Project > >>>>>> > >>>>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests > >> of > >>>>>> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to > >>> establish > >>>>>> a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and > >>> maintenance > >>>>>> of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the > public, > >>>>>> related to compilation of machine learning models to run on a wide > >>> range > >>>>>> of hardware platforms... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee > >>>>>> (PMC), to be known as the "Apache TVM Project", be and hereby is > >>>>>> established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further > >>>>>> > >>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache TVM Project be and hereby is responsible > >> for > >>> the > >>>>>> creation and maintenance of software related to compilation of > >> machine > >>>>>> learning models to run on a wide range of hardware platforms; and be > >> it > >>>>>> further > >>>>>> > >>>>>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache TVM" be and > >>>>>> hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the > >>>>>> direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache TVM > >>>>>> Project, and to have primary responsibility for management of the > >>>>>> projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache TVM > >>>>>> Project; and be it further > >>>>>> > >>>>>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby > are > >>>>>> appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache TVM Project: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> * Tianqi Chen <tqc...@apache.org> > >>>>>> * Timothy Chen <tnac...@apache.org> > >>>>>> * Zhi Chen <z...@apache.org> > >>>>>> * Byung-Gon Chun <bgc...@apache.org> > >>>>>> * Ziheng Jiang <zih...@apache.org> > >>>>>> * Furkan Kamaci <kam...@apache.org> > >>>>>> * YiZhi Liu <liuyi...@apache.org> > >>>>>> * Masahiro Masuda <mas...@apache.org> > >>>>>> * Thierry Moreau <mor...@apache.org> > >>>>>> * Jared Roesch <jroe...@apache.org> > >>>>>> * Henry Saputra <hsapu...@apache.org> > >>>>>> * Haichen Shen <haic...@apache.org> > >>>>>> * Markus Weimer <wei...@apache.org> > >>>>>> * Eddie Yan <e...@apache.org> > >>>>>> * Lianmin Zheng <lmzh...@apache.org> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Tianqi Chen be > appointed > >>> to > >>>>>> the office of Vice President, Apache TVM, to serve in accordance > >>>>>> with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the > >>>>>> Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, > >> removal > >>>>>> or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it > >>>>>> further > >>>>>> > >>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache TVM Project be and hereby is tasked with > >>>>>> the migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator TVM > >>>>>> podling; and be it further > >>>>>> > >>>>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache > >> Incubator > >>>>>> TVM podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are hereafter > >>>>>> Discharged. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - [1] > >>>>>> > >>> > >> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r91b8f469c6a54769869bb2435b7334a28bcff885ae078ab5612dae00%40%3Cdev.tvm.apache.org%3E > >>>>>> - [2] > >>>>>> > >>> > >> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/18nyAH-fcptVezAxPQe6H3FeTKPRkujOp1tc1YRSPLok/edit?usp=sharing > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > >>>>>> Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: > >>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-tvm/issues/6332 > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>> > >>> > >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
