Thanks Justin for bringing up these points! P0: tvm.ai domain
- As you can see that the domain redirects to https://tvm.apache.org/. So hopefully there is no confusion here. P2: releases - The PPMC has a well documented release process[1] that anyone can go and produce a release. - While we understand that it is good to produce more releases, hopefully it is not a hard blocker, as the most important thing for the PMC to be able to make high-quality Apache releases. P1: Recognizing reviewers and form of contribution - As said in the above email, the PPMC considers all forms of contributions, including but not limited to code reviews, code, community building, documentation. - Just like the (un-official) maturity model, which serves the goal to help community growth, it is not a gatekeeper in anyform. There is nothing that prevents a PMC member to discuss the case of non-code contributors, bringing them in as reviewer (to keep them in the loop of these perspectives), or as committer. - As a fact, community interaction and contributions documentation and building are actively being discussed and leads to some of the latest committer nominations P2: Docker image - These docker images do not contain tvm, instead they contain CI environment to set up dependencies(e.g. compilers libraries) for running integration tests. - These images are not Apache releases, there is a clear disclaimer that they are thirdparty and not part of the ASF release[1]. We would be more than happy to improve disclaimer. - These images can be built by anyone from the source in the TVM repo (not depending on a single person). The docker hub image mainly serves as a cache to make sure the CI does not have to rebuilt them each time. - The docker caches are maintained by community volunteers, not wearing ASF hat. In an event, say the cache image stops to work. The community can always self-operate, by picking a different cache, and using the same script. - We view it as similar cases where INFRA allows each project to use thirdparty services for test and integration purposes. The bottom line though is not to release non-official Apache artifacts as Apache. P3: Trademark and Licensing - The PPMC fully understands the importance of producing release that are 100% Apache compatible and has been doing so in the past two releases[2]. - The PPMC also clearly understand the need to protect Apache brand, and clearly differentiate Apache release from thirdparty ones by adding disclaimers[3] to places when they are referred to. - To make things simple, the TVM community only produce source release[2] that are 100% Apache compatible. - We agree that the use of tvmai as a docker hub org name for test cache is a gray area, and might cause confusion for branding despite the disclaimer. To ensure better clarity, we will move these binary caches to a different org name that does not contain tvm. Please note again these binaries are only used for integration test purposes, the community do not intend to advertise them as Apache releases. I think most of the concerns are around whether the community can protect the Apache brand and produce high quality apache releases. These are very important perspectives, and the PPMC is very committed to these goals, and making sure that the project can continue to thrive beyond the support of a single organization, or participation of single individual: - The release process is clearly documented. - The test infra is completely checked into as source of the repo (100% Apache), anyone can take over and reproduce. - The documents, tutorials and other things points to https://tvm.apache.org/. - When necessary thirdparty items are mentioned, a clear disclaimer is placed. - A PMC member only nominates candidates from other organizations to encourage diverse sustained community growth. - Engage trademark for permission in terms of community driven event[4] While we think that the community is matured enough to handle these perspectives. We would be more than happy to receive constructive feedback on how we can continue to do better on these areas. ------ - [1] https://tvm.apache.org/docs/contribute/release_process - [2] https://tvm.apache.org/download - [3] https://tvm.apache.org/docs/install/docker.html - [4] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r8559979c58fb92f08f3e253522dc227a51313dafff2ec19076e1093c%40%3Ctrademarks.apache.org%3E On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 3:08 PM Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I’m also concerned that the person who seems responsible for these docker > images seems to be the proposed chair of the project. > > Thanks, > Justin > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
