Sure. Thanks, Craig. --larry
On Sun, Oct 9, 2022, 5:38 PM Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Larry, > > > On Oct 8, 2022, at 10:30, larry mccay <lmc...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > Good to hear, Jean-Baptiste! > > We will send the proposal both here and to the Livy private list, I > guess. > > Once we come to an agreement and direction we can share with the dev@ > and > > user@ lists. > > I support the effort to revive the Livy podling, but I'd advise against > using the private list to discuss it. The incubator general list is public > and the livy dev list is public, so these are the lists I'd suggest you use > for further discussion. > > Again, good luck with the effort, > Craig > > > > Thanks again! > > > > --larry > > > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 12:49 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net> > > wrote: > > > >> Hi Larry, > >> > >> Agree with Claude: if we can have concrete proposal (in terms of > >> community and roadmap), it's OK. We are not in a rush, if we can have > >> this in the commit weeks, it's fine. > >> I would sent this on the Livy mailing list. > >> > >> Again, I would be more than happy to help and contribute on Livy. > >> > >> Regards > >> JB > >> > >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 6:08 PM larry mccay <lmc...@apache.org> wrote: > >>> > >>> I was hoping that we could bring a set of contributors as: > >>> > >>> * mentors - 1 or 2 plus whoever wants to remain > >>> * PPMC/Committers - 2 or 3 plus whoever wants to remain > >>> * election of a PPMC chair if needed > >>> > >>> Also open it up for folks to ask to join (as well as go emeritus) as I > >> know > >>> there are others that have tried to contribute and have gotten know > where > >>> or have long since decided it wasn't worth trying anymore. > >>> > >>> So, my thought was almost a new Proposal and solicitation for community > >>> bootstrap with a few seeds planted to help it grow. > >>> I was also considering a goal of getting it back off the ground with > some > >>> number of releases and proof of health as a project to fast track to a > >>> graduation discussion. > >>> A bit early to talk about that now but that was a detail that I thought > >>> would possibly go into such a reboot proposal. > >>> > >>> @Jean-Baptiste - we have compiled a list of features/improvements that > we > >>> would be able to bring to the table with the reboot as well. > >>> These are improvements that have been made internally due the sense of > >> not > >>> being able to get them in. I lack the details around the attempts at > this > >>> time but we would be bringing source as well. > >>> We could list these as part of the proposal/concrete plans. > >>> > >>> If you think this proposal can be done more casually, that's fine too. > I > >>> just would like to make it clear that we would open it up to new folks > as > >>> well. > >>> > >>> However you'd like to see it done, we can have concrete commitments to > >> you > >>> within a week or so more than likely. > >>> > >>> BTW, I did note that Ambari was sent to the attic and then pulled back > >> out > >>> [1] back in June into July of this year. > >>> I would hope that we could avoid the administrative headache that seems > >> to > >>> have been involved in that reinstatement. > >>> > >>> 1. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ATTIC-205 > >>> > >>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 11:04 AM Claude Warren, Jr > >>> <claude.war...@aiven.io.invalid> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Larry et.al. > >>>> > >>>> I think we need concrete steps. So if Larry produced a list of new > >>>> committers could we get them added to the list and see if development > >>>> starts again? > >>>> > >>>> Mentors / Champion does that work for you? > >>>> > >>>> Larry, can you produce such a list? > >>>> > >>>> Is there an objection to proceeding along these lines? > >>>> > >>>> Claude > >>>> > >>>> On Fri 7 Oct 2022, 03:07 Jean-Baptiste Onofré, <j...@nanthrax.net> > >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi Larry, > >>>>> > >>>>> I tried maybe 3 times to get Livy back to active, without success. > >>>>> I was a volunteer to contribute, but not alone, we need a community > >>>> around > >>>>> Livy. > >>>>> > >>>>> I don't remember having seen new active contributions on the mailing > >>>>> list, and very limited on source code. > >>>>> > >>>>> If you really think we can have a team, that would be great, and I > >>>>> still agree to support. But it has to be concrete. > >>>>> > >>>>> Let's see what the other IPMC members are thinking, but IMHO, I doubt > >>>>> we will have Livy back to life in the short term. > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards > >>>>> JB > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 5:29 PM larry mccay <lmc...@apache.org> > >> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Folks, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> As I mentioned in a previous thread [1], I would like to help avoid > >>>>> sending > >>>>>> a well regarded, actively consumed and mature product to the attic. > >>>> There > >>>>>> have been discussions internally at my employer and we have also > >>>>> struggled > >>>>>> getting our contributions committed. The original group of > >> committers > >>>>> seem > >>>>>> to have all moved on, and this is the core challenge for those > >> that are > >>>>>> trying to contribute, but are not committers. This doesn’t > >> represent a > >>>>>> lack of interest in doing so and I think there are others in this > >>>>> position. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> We are interested in trying to reboot with additional PPMC > >> leadership > >>>> and > >>>>>> investing in contributors that we would like to install as new > >>>>> committers. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I’d like to hear what the incubator would think about a Reproposal > >> for > >>>>> the > >>>>>> Livy project that would be open to existing PMC members and > >> committers > >>>> as > >>>>>> well as new contributors with a vested interest in this project > >> and the > >>>>>> health of its community. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> How would we best propose such a thing here? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> –larry > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 1. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> https://lists.apache.org/list?general@incubator.apache.org:2022-7 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 5:21 AM Luciano Resende < > >> luckbr1...@gmail.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Based on the failed attempts to resurrect a community, +1 for > >>>>> retirement. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 07:26 Jean-Baptiste Onofré < > >> j...@nanthrax.net> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hi guys, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> After several attempts, we are struggling to execute Livy > >> podling: > >>>>> the > >>>>>>>> activity is pretty low, and even after a couple of calls for > >>>> action, > >>>>>>>> we don't have a clear sign of community around Livy. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I would like to discuss/propose to retire the Livy podling. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thoughts ? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Regards > >>>>>>>> JB > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >> general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > >> general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Sent from my Mobile device > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >> > >> > > Craig L Russell > c...@apache.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
