Peter Donald wrote:

> ie If we could set up a decent process and work with other standards
> organizations (ECMA, IEEE, W3C), have a relatively formal
> participation contract (and thus *safe* from eyes of corporate/IP
> lawyers) and finally make allies of organisations like IBM, Apple
> and whoever else then it would be viable for many things.

This would be good.  Open source software has a strong position in the
web marketplace.  It should be possible to use that position to gain
influence in standards processes.  The IETF is an open body that sets
network standards; why can't there be a similar body that standardises
APIs?

I do feel, however, that the appropriate model is the IETF, not the
W3C.  The W3C charges a fee for participation, which discriminates
against open source efforts.  It is better than JCP, but if we are
designing our own standards body why settle for second best?

The IETF has worked through the intellectual property problems.  So
for example when you attend a working group meeting you receive a
piece of paper saying that you can't do a Rambus...  The IETF will
allow patented algorithms under certain circumstances.  Of course we
are free to decide not to.  The IETF is a good model, IMHO, but we
don't have to create an exact copy.

> It still would be difficult to do anything with respect to the real
> core as Sun controls the source to a large degree.

Well, gcj is one free implementation of much of the core.  At the same
time, it would probably be unhelpful to come up with a revision of the
core J2SE standard.  It makes sense to concentrate on areas where
standards are in more of a state of flux.

-- 
Pete



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