I thought this was a good article - apart from arguing that Apache is not a true open source project in the community sense which I think is just plain wrong. Its got the best community by far of any open source project I'm aware of though I guess thats pretty subjective.
Other than that I think Fleury & Mason make a very convincing argument that Sun should allow JBoss to be certified. The quote from Karen Tegan is interesting... At the same time, having a strong brand and compatibility standards are important to the development of a robust market for J2EE platform products, tools, and components. The "J2EE Compatible" brand has achieved significant momentum over the past two years, and we want to make sure that any open source efforts don't impact the viability of that effort. This does not seem like an argument as to why JBoss cannot be certified. Indeed this seems to suggest that JBoss should be openly tested for conformance to protect the 'J2EE Compatible' brand. Otherwise the only alternative is to create an open source 'JBoss Compatible' brand (i.e. an open source J2EE test suite) instead which would only serve to fragment the J2EE marketplace and weaken the viability of the 'J2EE Compatible' brand. James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephane Bailliez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 4:52 PM Subject: "Jakarta is not an open source project in the pure community sense anymore" > > Apparentely I did not pay attention to those many gremlins working out for > Sun and IBM in Jakarta and that are so closed... doh ! > > See Marc Fleury's interview. > > --- > > http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2002/03/20/jboss_interview.html > > [...] > Anglin: There has been much speculation of late regarding JBoss and Apache > Jakarta. Could JBoss become a Jakarta project? > > Fleury and Mason: No, we don't see that happening. Jakarta is not an open > source project in the pure community sense anymore. It is dominated by > Sun/IBM employees. We are more focused on growing our own professional > services organization through JBoss Group. As such, we form a > hyper-efficient consultancy, where our open source product base enables us > to achieve an unparalleled degree of efficiency in sharing and communicating > knowledge. You may feel that our open source nature limits us here, but > never when it comes to high-level knowledge. The ability to see and > reproduce source code does not automatically give people the understanding > of how it's used or how it can be optimized. If they do achieve that on on > their own, that's great. For those who want more insight, we sell the > services to get them there. > > The second reason for our dissatisfaction with Apache has to do with > problems in the 3.2 version of Tomcat (the new one is better). When those > problems arose, we grew close to Jetty, a competing open source project > backed by MortBay Consulting in Australia. We met these guys, spent time > with them, and we found there were a lot of similarities -- they are a > husband-and-wife-led company dedicated to their product because it is their > business. It just happens that we relate better to people with goals and > expectations similar to ourselves --dedicated independent professionals. > JBoss Group is about supporting and promoting that way of life and work, > which, in our opinion, is conducive to the development of great software. > [...] > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
