Hi Gareth,

comments inline:

2012/7/16 Gareth Collins <[email protected]>:
> Hello Achim,
>
> One more question...
>
> I see that the default connectors setup using the Pax Web
> configuration file don't appear to have
> names. Would you mind if I added two new configuration items for these
> default connectors
> (perhaps with default names "default" and "secureDefault"?)?
>

sure go ahead, haven't had the need for names yet.

> BTW, feel free to tell me this is too much detail for the mailing
> list. If yes, I will start emailing
> you directly.
>

Unless no one complains and I'm sure all others are
OK with it keep asking :)
This is still an OpenSource project so this way it's also
a nice way of documenting the reasons behind decisions.
And one might always come around with a better suited
idea this way :)

> thanks in advance,
> Gareth

No Problem, I'm glad that you stepped up for it :)

Regards, Achim

>
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Achim Nierbeck <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
>> Hi Gareth,
>>
>> my comments inline.
>>
>> 2012/7/13 Gareth Collins <[email protected]>:
>>> Hello Achim,
>>>
>>> A further question while I have it on my mind:
>>>
>>> (1) If I wanted to verify the host http header is valid (i.e.to
>>> protect against a user faking the host), before routing a request to a
>>> particular
>>> web app, would that be something that could be done in Pax Web...or
>>> could that only be done in Jetty?
>>
>> I'm not sure if this could be done with jetty or is already a "valid" method
>> there. So Pax web might be a good place. But beware this test might
>> stale the startup of Pax Web when it tries to look for a valid address.
>>
>>>
>>> (2) Would it be a foolish idea to be able to choose connectors via a
>>> Manifest Header (potentially called "Web-Connectors", again with a
>>> default in the Pax Web Configuration)? Something like what is shown in
>>> "Alternative" here (I am assuming that the preferred multiple jetty
>>> servers implementation would be a substantial amount of work):
>>>
>>
>> Well what already can be done is the posibility to configure
>> multiple Jetty Connectors through the jetty.xml.
>> So I think adding a special Manifest Entry for the webapp might be a nice 
>> addon.
>> I think that this might be even a nice idea to make this
>> configuration somehow available for servlets beeing registered either through
>> the http service or through the whiteboard extender.
>>
>>> http://docs.codehaus.org/display/JETTY/How+to+serve+webbapp+A+from+portA+and+webapp+B+from+portB
>>>
>>> Perhaps this is the better internal/external security option?
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> Gareth
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Gareth Collins
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Hello Achim,
>>>>
>>>> I believe I am already a member of ops4j team (garethcollins) on
>>>> github. I have forked pax-web to
>>>> start work on this. Once I am done, if you could verify/provide
>>>> feedback on my change it would be much appreciated.
>>
>> Of course, this has proven to be a quite practial thing in the past :)
>>
>>>> If you are happy that I have not done anything completely foolish and
>>>> I have verified the change works then I will
>>>> pull and approve my pull.
>>
>> +1 :)
>>
>>>>
>>>> A couple of questions I am a little unsure of yet:
>>>> (1) Would this be a reasonable prioritization for setting virtual hosts?:
>>>>     (a) If virtual hosts is set in jetty-web.xml, use that value.
>>>>     (b) Else if set in Web-VirtualHosts header, use that value.
>>>>     (c) Else default to the configured value. If that configured value
>>>> is null, virtual hosts should not be set.
>>
>> sounds fair enough since a jetty-web.xml might be a valid
>> configuration for a "standalon" war also.
>>
>>>>
>>>> (2) If Pax Web configuration is changed via configuration admin, does
>>>> Pax Web restart...or does it try to
>>>> only change the delta somehow (handling deltas may potentially make my
>>>> task harder)?
>>>>
>>
>> Since it's a managed Service the default behaviour of OSGi is taking
>> care of this.
>> So the service in question is stoped and restarted. In this case you don't 
>> need
>> think about a delta behaviour :)
>>
>>>> thanks again,
>>>> Gareth
>>
>> Actually I have to thank you, cause this is the work the community
>> needs to be a successfull
>> community.
>>
>> Regards, Achim
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 4:29 AM, Achim Nierbeck <[email protected]> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Gareth,
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks for sharing your thoughts, my comments inline :)
>>>>>
>>>>> 2012/7/11 Gareth Collins <[email protected]>:
>>>>>> Hello Achim,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a proposal (which solves my problem). Would this be foolish?:
>>>>>
>>>>> Proposals are never foolish, it's always a good starting point for a
>>>>> good discussion :)
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (1) Add a new Manifest Header Web-VirtualHosts which lists the virtual
>>>>>> hosts for the webapp.
>>>>>> Their are at least two advantages of setting the virtual hosts this way:
>>>>>>     (a) it is webapp container type independent.
>>>>>>     (b) the header can be set as part of the war url (I have set
>>>>>> arbitrary header names this way in the past).
>>>>>
>>>>> A new Manifest Header actually could be really useful.
>>>>> So +1 for this Idea.
>>>>>
>>>>>> (2) Add a new configuration item for Pax Web, which, if not null
>>>>>> describes a default set
>>>>>> of Virtual Hosts (i.e. to allow restrict by default for webapps such
>>>>>> as the activemq or karaf console).
>>>>>
>>>>> +1 for the configuration item.
>>>>> The default should be null so I'm quite fine with this idea  :)
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had a look at the Pax Web code. It doesn't appear that it should be
>>>>>> that hard to implement (I believe I can see how to pass the
>>>>>> information
>>>>>> via the WebApp through to the Jetty ContextHandler). If I implemented
>>>>>> such a feature would you merge it in?
>>>>>
>>>>> First of all thank you for willing to contribute,
>>>>> second we at ops4j rather give you direct access then applying patches :)
>>>>> So If you give me your Github Account name I'll add you to the
>>>>> committers list.
>>>>> If you want me to review this before "merge" to trunk
>>>>> you can either start a branch in the ops4j repo
>>>>> or start your own branch in your own repository and I
>>>>> will happily review it.
>>>>> It turned out in the past that this was a quite good way of working 
>>>>> together
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks in advance,
>>>>>> Gareth
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to thank you for committing :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Achim
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Achim Nierbeck 
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Gareth,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sorry it took me a bit longer :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yes you need to make sure the jetty-web.xml file is contained inside
>>>>>>> the war/wab next to
>>>>>>> the std. web.xml file.
>>>>>>> Concerning the jetty.xml file you might be able to "alter" certain 
>>>>>>> behaviour for
>>>>>>> allready deployed applications, though I have to admitt thinking more
>>>>>>> about this
>>>>>>> this probably won't work due to the way the war/wabs are deployed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> regards, Achim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2012/7/9 Gareth Collins <[email protected]>:
>>>>>>>> Hello Achim,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the response. I did look at the Jetty Eclipse
>>>>>>>> wiki and it wasn't obvious
>>>>>>>> to me how I could do what I think I need via jetty.xml. I will keep 
>>>>>>>> researching.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Say I wanted to add this jetty-web.xml file to the war/wab on install
>>>>>>>> (because I don't know until install
>>>>>>>> what the virtual hosts will be). Would this be something that
>>>>>>>> logically would be part of the war
>>>>>>>> url handler...or would this need to be something different (especially
>>>>>>>> since it would be jetty specific - e.g.
>>>>>>>> a "jvh - Jetty Virtual Host" url handler?)?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just trying to understand how this potentially could be done (I am
>>>>>>>> assuming that if I wanted this I would
>>>>>>>> need to implement it).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks in advance,
>>>>>>>> Gareth
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Achim Nierbeck 
>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Gareth,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> comments inline
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2012/7/6 Gareth Collins <[email protected]>:
>>>>>>>>>> Hello Achim,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just letting you know I have migrated all my webapps over to the pax
>>>>>>>>>> web trunk (i.e. which includes
>>>>>>>>>> the fix) successfully. It is working great now. Thankyou!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> great to hear
>>>>>>>>> always welcome :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The next thing I wanted to try out was the new Virtual Hosts feature.
>>>>>>>>>> I looked at the pax web examples
>>>>>>>>>> and the jetty documentation. For pax web, it appears like the only 
>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>> to do this is via a file (jetty-web.xml) in the war.
>>>>>>>>>>  Is this correct?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> indeed as pax-web does only "configure" jetty it's the jetty-web.xml
>>>>>>>>> for configuring.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I ask because I was hoping to restrict access to third-party wars
>>>>>>>>>> (such as the activemq web war or the karaf console)
>>>>>>>>>> to specific virtual hosts (i.e. I don't want these on an external
>>>>>>>>>> facing port/IP). Is that something I can do without editing
>>>>>>>>>> these third-party wars and adding the jetty-web.xml file (if I have
>>>>>>>>>> to, I have to - just seeing if I am missing something here)?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ok, to restrict to specific virtual hosts is a kind of tricky
>>>>>>>>> please follow the instructions in [1].
>>>>>>>>> But you will have a hard time configuring this to different ports.
>>>>>>>>> What I haven't tried yet but might be a possible solution to not
>>>>>>>>> alter certain wars is to try to configure this via the jetty.xml.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> regards, Achim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [1] - http://wiki.eclipse.org/Jetty/Howto/Configure_Virtual_Hosts
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> thanks in advance,
>>>>>>>>>> Gareth
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Gareth Collins
>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks very much!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gareth
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Achim Nierbeck 
>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gareth,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I just took care of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to release a new version of Pax web ASAP, latest 
>>>>>>>>>>>> beginning of next
>>>>>>>>>>>> week :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> regards, Achim
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 19.06.2012 19:18, schrieb Gareth Collins:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Achim,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Added:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://team.ops4j.org/browse/PAXWEB-384
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can have a go at fixing it next week (as it is somewhat a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> showstopper
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I get back home.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks again,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gareth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Achim Nierbeck 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gareth,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could you open an issue for this, I think limiting this to just 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 *.xml
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files is probably wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is probably more a thinking of the old times where the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> web.xml was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supposed to be a single file.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Opening this to include a jetty-web.xml is probably the cause 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, Achim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 16.06.2012 05:08, schrieb Gareth Collins:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I see that some new software has been updated recently (such 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as Pax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Web 2.0.0 - thankyou!) I decided to go back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and try to update my OSGi dependencies and streamline my 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> environment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is why I was interested in removing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the start ordering dependency in pax confman).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway one of the first things I am trying to do in my updated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> environment is to get the updated 5.6.0 activemq web console
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to play nicely with the updated Pax Web. I am getting an error 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pax Web and I am not sure what it means (this is with equinox 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.6.2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the bndtools launcher). Is this suggesting there is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong with the activemq web console war or is this suggesting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something else? There are seven XML files in the activemq 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WEB-INF
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directory:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20:50:23,521 | DEBUG | Gogo shell |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ..swissbox.extender.BundleWatcher[216] | []:[] | Found resources
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [bundleentry://11.fwk2060982148/WEB-INF/web.xml,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bundleentry://11.fwk2060982148/WEB-INF/webconsole-default.xml,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bundleentry://11.fwk2060982148/WEB-INF/webconsole-embedded.xml,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bundleentry://11.fwk2060982148/WEB-INF/webconsole-invm.xml,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bundleentry://11.fwk2060982148/WEB-INF/webconsole-jndi.xml,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bundleentry://11.fwk2060982148/WEB-INF/webconsole-properties.xml,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bundleentry://11.fwk2060982148/WEB-INF/webconsole-query.xml]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20:50:23,527 | INFO  | Executor: 1 |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ..war.internal.WebXmlObserver[117] | []:[] | Using 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [activemqweb] as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> web application context name
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20:50:23,527 | DEBUG | Framework Event Dispatcher |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ..apache.activemq.activemq-web-console[?] | []:[] | BundleEvent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> STARTED
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20:50:23,527 | ERROR | Executor: 1 |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ..war.internal.WebXmlObserver[124] | []:[] | Number of xml's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lesser than 3. Was: 7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.ops4j.lang.PreConditionException: Number of xml's was not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lesser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than 3. Was: 7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.ops4j.lang.PreConditionException.validateLesserThan(PreConditionException.java:155)[33:org.ops4j.pax.web.pax-web-extender-war:2.0.0]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.ops4j.pax.web.extender.war.internal.WebXmlObserver.addingEntries(WebXmlObserver.java:121)[33:org.ops4j.pax.web.pax-web-extender-war:2.0.0]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.ops4j.pax.swissbox.extender.BundleWatcher$3.run(BundleWatcher.java:224)[33:org.ops4j.pax.web.pax-web-extender-war:2.0.0]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> java.util.concurrent.Executors$RunnableAdapter.call(Executors.java:441)[:1.6.0_31]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> java.util.concurrent.FutureTask$Sync.innerRun(FutureTask.java:303)[:1.6.0_31]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> java.util.concurrent.FutureTask.run(FutureTask.java:138)[:1.6.0_31]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> java.util.concurrent.ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor$ScheduledFutureTask.access$301(ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor.java:98)[:1.6.0_31]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> java.util.concurrent.ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor$ScheduledFutureTask.run(ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor.java:206)[:1.6.0_31]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.runTask(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:886)[:1.6.0_31]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:908)[:1.6.0_31]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:680)[:1.6.0_31]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20:50:23,528 | DEBUG | Executor: 1 |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ..war.internal.WebEventDispatcher[130] | []:[] | Sending web 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WebEvent [replay=false, type=5,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bundle=org.apache.activemq.activemq-web-console_5.6.0 [11],
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extenderBundle=org.ops4j.pax.web.pax-web-extender-war_2.0.0 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [33],
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause=org.ops4j.lang.PreConditionException: Number of xml's was 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lesser than 3. Was: 7, timestamp=1339807823528,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contextPath=/activemqweb, collisionIds=null, httpService=null,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> httpContext=null] for bundle 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.activemq.activemq-web-console
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20:50:23,531 | DEBUG | WebListenerExecutor: 2 |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ..pax.web.pax-web-extender-war[?] | []:[] |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org/osgi/service/web/FAILED
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone could indicate what this error may mean (is there 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> max xml file limit in this directory?), it would be much 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks in advance,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gareth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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