[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If we were only aiming at a certain group of people there would be no
need to change anything. The apache announcements reached lots of users
but still left a large chunk of users in the dark. Moving the news to
-announce or some RSS feed wouldn't change anything as the basic problem
with these methods is that people have to actively search out important
news instead of news getting pushed to them.
I disagree. A lot Gentoo users I know read gentoo-announce and the GWN.
For me it works quite well if I see a message with a warning on
something. I can quickly find it back if I am in need for it. I would
typically disable the whole news feature of portage and just watch the
announce ML with all the news announcements. Works fine for me.
The GLEP *is* targetted at a certain group of people, since it is there
mainly to help those that complained in [forum_whining] and those -- I
think -- mostly desktop end-users to prevent them from breaking their
system and complain with us.
I broke my webserver too after the apache update. Too bad I was stupid
enough to 'just do it' on a webserver that should *not* have been
offline for a while. I just ignored the message the init.d script gave
when it refused to stop my apache. To cut a long story shory, I have
solved the problem myself, knowing I was stupid for ignoring the message
on gentoo-dev. I never blamed the apache herd or anyone else but myself
and just fixed it myself. Sys-admins are supposed to try updates on a
toy box first. A warning is nice, documentation on how to solve it the
best is even nicer. Think of "knowledge books" of many commercial systems.
What the GLEP does is twofold:
1. Suggest special (**important**) news items to be accepted within
Gentoo, and them being stored somewhere
2. Desparately push this news to users, because it seems that they don't
read information which is not available (yet! see 1).
So thank you for letting me realise that this GLEP should be splitted in
two. One for just realising and standardising a way to publish news
items on normal and known media: mailing lists, RSS feeds and WWW pages.
It should include topics regarding what information (like solutions or
workarounds) should be there.
Then an additional GLEP which suggests the pushing of information to the
user -- like this current GLEP -- can be written when it becomes clear
after a reasonable amount of time after realising the GLEP mentioned
above doesn't work sufficiently.
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Fabian Groffen
Gentoo for Mac OS X Project -- Interim Lead
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