On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 03:57:51PM -0400, Ned Ludd wrote: > On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 20:40 +0200, Harald van Dijk wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 01:55:03PM -0400, Ned Ludd wrote: > > > Keep pushing this and the only thing you will end up with is the > > > vanilla flag being removed all together.. > > > > Is that a threat? If not, is there a reason behind this? > > Yes.. When users or devs complain non stop when they > don't understand something it leaves us with a few choices. > 1) put up with people not having a clue. > 2) remove the option so they can't bitch about it. > > Option #1 is not fun as it pushes the hand on #2
Option 3: Enlighten me. I have explained why I feel the way I do, so if there's some big flaw in my understanding, please do correct it. > > > You want a pure 100% > > > vanilla(POS) non working toolchain then go download it and > > > compile it yourself. You will soon see why things exist the way > > > they do.. > > > > If you mean modifying the build system to actually work properly, then I > > have no problem with that. USE=vanilla refers to runtime behaviour, not > > the build system. (See use.desc.) Specifically, if patches are applied > > that make sure GCC compiles, and those patches make sure GCC compiles to > > the same program intended by the GCC devs at that release, those patches > > are appropriate, IMO. None of the GCC patches I have problems with are > > of this nature. > > > > If you mean vanilla GCC + build fixes is unusable, then I'd appreciate > > an explanation, because as far as I know, it can work just fine as a > > system compiler, and plenty of people, at some times myself included, > > use it as one. > > You use the Gentoo modified one. Regardless of what USE= flags you have > enabled you are still getting Gentoo behaviors. Gentoo isn't the only system I use. I have used vanilla GCC + build fixes, and I have been able to get a working system with it. So I'm still waiting on your explanation of how it is unusable. > Think vanilla-sources are pure? They are not. > They get patched as well with the minimal amount of patches required. Interesting, and I did not know that, but looking at kernel-2.eclass (which appears to be the only thing doing any modifying), the modifications are all build system fixes, and won't affect the generated kernel. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
