Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:43:12 -0700:
> Quite frankly, I'd prefer see Gentoo > take control over the specification that defines the most important > single feature of Gentoo and remove the non-Gentoo developers from its > development. Leaving the history aside (I posted my personal feelings a week or so ago, no need to rehash), we have a serious practical problem with any proposal to take direct control of PMS and boot the main current contributors. The problem is -- like him or not, and like the problem or not, Ciaran is the ONE person who pushed and pushed on PMS, ultimately got the thing going, and continues to be the prime mover behind it. Now, part of that may be the result of the caustic style, no argument there. However, the fact is, he's and the other paludis folks are putting in the hard time that has to be put in to get the thing done. Nobody else is, either on their repository or on the Gentoo controlled one. In fact, last I knew, the Gentoo one tended not to be up to date and was often going weeks between any action at all (tho talk was of moving the active one to Gentoo hosting, don't know if it ever happened or not). Whatever our disagreements or dislikes for each other, the practical situation is that Ciaran and friends are doing what no one else took time to do, and, were we to forcibly remove them from their current activity on it, I'd put the chances at over 70% it'd end up stagnating pretty fast. That's the problem with scrapping and starting over, too, except even more so. I'd put the chances of a redo project ever reaching even /this/ far at less than 20%. So, while we might not particularly like the persons doing it, if we consider it worthwhile and useful to have done, we pretty much gotta work with them, because they /are/ doing it -- no one else was or is, nor, practically speaking, do I see anybody else having the discipline, time and talent to stick to it and get it done, right, regardless of likes or dislikes. Now, it may indeed be that having a working and adopted PMS or alike document isn't worth the trouble. It's the council, backed by individual devs, that ultimately decides such things. However, I believe it's worthwhile to face the facts, and know that if we /do/ nix this, we're probably nixing the entire idea for some years at least. Whether it's worth it or not I can't say, but that's what we're talking, in terms of cost, one way or the other. We either take this, like or not who doing it, or we don't, and we lose all the benefits, for now and perhaps forever, but also lose the poison. Honestly, I'm glad I'm not one of those having to make that decision. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
