On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 15:24:22 +0300 Samuli Suominen <ssuomi...@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On 03/06/14 15:08, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 07:35:42 -0400 > > Rich Freeman <ri...@gentoo.org> wrote: > > > >> This probably could have used a news item, as the change impacts > >> both stable and ~arch users. > > Are we going to write a news item every time systemd acquires a new > > mandatory relationship with a reverse dependency? > > IMHO, not every singular dependency change (even blocker) needs one. Regardless of that, most acquirements have lead to a news item. > For those failing to read `eix upower` That command doesn't tell anything helpful for this blocker. > or `emerge -C upower` For that you need to already know that you have to unmerge upower; it is also not going to help anything in terms of dependency calculation, except for a small amount of users that might have selected it. > or masking systemd, Masking systemd has the same effect as having udev selected; so, taking this action has zero effect and results in the blocker to still be there. The output has perhaps changed a little, the idea is the same. > or number of other ways the blocker can be solved, There is the problem, new Gentoo users can't solve it; that's why it's all over the place, as you've mentioned below. And some of it contains misinformation, like the gentoo-user thread you have responded to. Why do the users need to keep solving these nasty blockers? You could solve it if you use --tree --unordered-display; go through the dependency chain to check the reverse dependencies, write down what is going on and finally come to the conclusion of it all. But how are new users supposed to know all that? Why is --tree --unordered-display still not a default? In other words, why is the list of packages still flat by default? > the answer is in Gentoo news letter, Hidden somewhere in the middle, assuming users read about the update. > forums, As long as the activity of these topics last. > first hits in Google, Nothing found when I search for things like gentoo systemd blocker. > /topic of #gentoo at Freenode, MLs, pretty much everywhere. Which amounts to only a certain share of the users. > But news item has been planned all along for when UPower 0.99.0 goes > stable, propably > GNOME 3.12 and some 0.99.0 consumers, when there are enough steps to > accumulate as news worthy. Your reply doesn't answer the posed questions; instead, it demonstrates that it costs a lot more human resources the way we do things now. Users have to figure it out the hard way, developers then have to bring out the news the hard way; just like most of the previous times. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D
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