-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 09/11/2015 01:34 PM, hasufell wrote: > On 09/11/2015 08:03 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: >> >> So, IUSE="X" has generally been used for gui, but more >> technically it's used to depend on and build against x11-libs/* >> packages. The fact that this gives a GUI is practically a >> side-effect. When wayland comes along, do these packages still >> build against x11-libs/* to support wayland? >> >> I'm just wondering if we're jumping the gun a little bit on >> IUSE="gui".. yes it'll be nice to have one flag that "just >> works" for anyone not caring about the details, but it'll also >> mean propagating a slew of REQUIRED_USE=" >> {X,wayland,gtk,qt4,qt5}? ( gui )" entries and a lot of extra >> use-defaults which may or may not cleanup the sub-profiles of >> desktop/ .... >> >> Also, I believe we need to have the conversation about the pros >> and cons of IUSE=gui here before the council meeting, yes? >> > > > I already use IUSE=gui and will keep doing that. > > USE flags in gentoo are the best and the worst thing at the same > time. They are also mostly the main reason people don't like > gentoo, because USE flags are (for todays situation) pretty much > not an appropriate pattern to reflect real-world configuration. To > be more precise... USE flags are first-class citizens and there is > only one layer of them. There's not configuration > pattern/abstraction behind them. If you wonder what I am talking > about, have a look at NixOS. The reason we lack proper declarative > configuration is also the reason we had to introduce this ugliness > called REQUIRED_USE. Instead of saying "gui.gtk" we say > "REQUIRED_USE="gui? ( || ( gtk ... ) )". And it will get worse. I > wonder when people start realizing that. >
So are you suggesting maybe we come up with namespaced USE flags? That would be interesting. - -- Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net fpr: AE03 9064 AE00 053C 270C 1DE4 6F7A 9091 1EA0 55D6 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJV82lLAAoJEAEkDpRQOeFwiUAQAMoAzkd1NKwDaMeiKSwD1pIa 0RhytZ+YFMQp+A+eLuIIG7yzpbomzwMuQGe1YqHEAHibZx/C/Dfjdx5MMyAGAnkk Am+ysOoHOZdGn/F5AMWNko4HZ+QxD22a1z6Mbkf00PE5J53vzgCAPh7nX6wRYFUP Ag54pWCXP8xAN6hMmHtcyxz3vZ2s4AZfTvAlLcwVSCJmUa4Ki+64T/L8I6UMUC2h qabu46RePWYDaTBDw7HB29Yja/UggGC7S9kTIvJYCwfyCbENOIa6kOU/qKeUP+Im 6blr8WfdWMUVlYxKlbPaibPQKUw3KCQIylLlp6Jn8Ix8tePyxm+086AE7q4qhbQX 64d6zbB+TaK8JC+ujWf90DmlXU0nTyMZ34Cooil1PwD5/b70lcSmTjxmffqSRG0w KjUlI7op63qtiJ1r2PyLx1PliC6DVvhV9cZqO7oSB+mNi3oPKFCBNvIyhiCMQxzL PrT80pF9HxloOarIMy0BCoHcr+qYYaoB20WqNC4XfM19iWsXQkvFCyUBFb9VxZd0 +EcGRRoVwr1UZjO8zYx5l1gdsvtck1Ka4WZgqVqeHFOgR+HJ18s5IfDLdSjOcDn4 F+XAewblzRAGsF4zM59q7ZIb70mmJmcAN6c1EmZwdrh0OAMH+HhXB97Z5tI/e3xY 8ouxCkDbfXutEydYI7mP =jIAs -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----